Conversation Between Indo-Chinese Food and King-Panther

I'm not redirecting anything, I'm just pointing out that you're insulting me and that is ad hominem, and show me where redirecting has anything to do with losing an argument, provide evidence.

I have provided evidence for the story you are talking about and it doesn't resemble the Quran, even if it did, doesn't prove that it was copied.

The conversation between you and I is below, I have not insulted you once, you have repeatedly insulted me, and as you can see, that is ad hominem, and "ad hominem attacks are ultimately self-defeating. They are equivalent to admitting that you have lost the argument."

Provide your evidence, like I did, and we'll go from there, and stop attacking me but rather focus that energy towards the debate and attacking my argument.

re-direction to the irrellevant generally indicates you have lost the arguement. -ie copy/paste from online dictioneries. You cant answer why it is religions from over athousand years before islam have written so many of the same stories of the quran already, as confimred by academics, scripture that you were entirely ignorant of till it was introduced to you on this website. Shows you are ill-equipped to even begin discussing these subjects and only interesting in hearing comments that reinforce your chosen point of view (instead of analysing facts) The sad consequence of dogma.

I have provided evidence, you have provided hear say (none). Once again you're attacking me, why not attack my argument?

Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument, but can also involve pointing out true character flaws or actions that are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions. However, verbal abuse in the absence of an argument is neither ad hominem nor a fallacy.

Ad hominem attacks are ultimately self-defeating. They are equivalent to admitting that you have lost the argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Unlike you, that clearly didnt even know that these scriptures existed till i told you about them, i dont need wikipedia, i have read them years ago and the academic debate on what they mean and what they have influenced. They are deemed to have been the precursors to the qurans stories quoted, by poeple that have read them and the quran in far more depth than you ( ie not relying on a wikipedia summary) - which is why its amusing to watch you clutch at straws when your statements have been disproved.

I've provided links for everything, the story is not the same. I think you need to read the story for yourself.

Your talking rubbish again- you clearly havent even read the story- the Sumerian Great Flood epic is widely accpeted as being in general as the same as the Quranic story of Noahs Ark, with names changed. It involves a king being told by his Deity to built a large boat to house the worlds animals while the earth is flooded. Try reading it. That story pre-dates the quran by about 900 years. And yet you try and pretend its a "completly different story " to Noahs Ark in the quran. Congrats, Youve just reached the dregs of the barrel of credibility.

The story of Enuma is very different to that of the Quran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enûma_Eliš




Story is similar but not the same and actually quite different, god has sex with the earth??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panbabylonism


The story is first attested in the Kassite period (14th century BCE).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adapa



Just because other people have similar traditions, doesn't mean they copied one another, does it??? The difference is, Mithra and the christian Jesus are identical, with that case its more like spot the difference, and the examples you've given me, its very hard the spot the similarities, if at all any.

God sent prophets to all nations on earth,

"And for every nation there is a messenger." (10:47)
"And there is not a people but a warner has gone among them." (35:24)

So, people from different parts of the world may have some truth in their beliefs but because of human corruption, the message has been distorted and deviated. God promised that this will never happen to the message of muhammed (pbh) and it hasn't, the Quran hasn't changed, nor will it.

Who said moses doesn't exist? So, by that logic, nor did your great grandfather of that time.

What have I ignored, every story you mentioned, I posted links for them and showed how they were not the same, it is you who ignores my arguments.

Etemananki Baylonian actually existed, so Quran was referring to what actually is.


The first story of a flood is nothing like the story of noah, it is of Gods and lesser gods, and the Gods created man the help the gods.... However, the story below (The Epic of Gilgameš) is also very different.

"The Epic of Gilgameš

The second Babylonian text is the Epic of Gilgameš (text), which was composed in c.1100 BCE"


http://www.livius.org/fa-fn/flood/flood3.html

moses didnt exist so, how can that be answered lol?

whose losing what debate now? ignoring the points i just raised doesnt refute them- Still no answer from you about the fact the story of noah and the great flood in the quran has been written 900 years prior as proved by science- by a pre-islamic religion? Answer that point then we can move on to "jinns"

moses didnt exist so, how can that be answered lol?

whose losing what debate now? i gnroing the points i just raised doesnt refute them- Still no answer form you about the fact the story of noah and the great flood in the quran has been written 900 years prior as proved by science- by a a pre-islamic religon? Answer that point then we can move on to "jinns"