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My favourite thing about you is every time you say something I might vaguely disagree with (which is quite rare) I see your username and picture and I just go... Why am I mad tho? And then I lol and move on.
"There are no democratic arab nations"
Feel free to disprove this statement with FACTS instead of relying on the simplistic observation that groups of people aren't always homogenous.
I think you need to get real. We're about to drop 1000 cruise missles on Syria because it seems Assad can't stop gassing his own people and you want to tell me about the wacism of Western commentators.
It's no surprise that racism is pertinent to your position.
"This is the nature of the Arab."
Sounds like something I would find in the journal of a 17th century colonialist.
I suppose facts are racist are they when they contract you're liberal-left worldview? There's absolutely no academic merit in such a position.
This is a pertinent quote from my blogger friend the British Nationalist that I thought you might like :
Arabs are in fact completely incompatible with democracy. There are no democratic Arabs nations. This is not a criticism of Arabs though, they are as they are, but democracy is a European invention and does not work for Arabs. Time and time again we see that Arabs can only live peacefully under a "strong man". When Saddam Hussein was removed from Iraq the country did not embrace a democratic future - it turned to self-destruction. The same happens to any Arab nation which has its strong leader removed. We should not bemoan the lack of democracy in an Arab nation - their options are only tyranny or chaos. Tyranny is the better choice. This is the nature of the Arab. Remember that Islam teaches that man-made law is forbidden, only God can give law to man. And Islam is not the word of God - it is an Arab-made religion; made by them, to suit them. Its tenets are not alien to them - they are exactly what the Arabs want.
But my argument isn't based upon your three bullet points, it's based upon the Qur'an (illiberal), the way Muslims are expected to interpret the Qur'an (literally) and the nature of the Arab world (bigoted). I may not pass your tests but I believe that my worldview is more accurate because I'm willing to acknowledge the differences because Islam and Western seculariam.
Well, yes, you do. There's this little thing called the burden of proof that fell on you when you made an argument that presupposed the reality of the three bullet points.
Well I'm the one reading the Qur'an and I'm the one constantly referring to the dismal reality of the Arab world. Have you read the Qur'an? No. In fact your entire argument revolves around the rather dull and unimaginative observation that not all Muslims are the same. Your knowledge of Islam is as good as non-existent whereas mine is improving daily.
All 2.7 million of them? No, which means there is no 'they' or 'their' about it. They don't possess something unless they possess something.
You've been told in your thread that your understanding of Islam is incipient at best.
Why should the British taxpayer have to deal with a growing problem that was virtually non-existent before some bright spark came up with the idea of enriching this country via mass immigration?
Then the individuals responsible are prosecuted accordingly.
No, you should learn to speak in English and accept that Muslims don't want to live a secular European existence. If they did they wouldn't identify first and foremost as Muslims, would they?
You have to be the slowest person I've encountered in a debate. Learn the distinction between DDM and PPM.
I don't need to prove anything. You need to prove that Islam is compatible with the West when the Arab world is very different and much more bigoted than Europe. From what I've seen on Youtube and heard about in the press 'British Muslims' seem intent on replicating a lot of the mistakes that plague their countries of origin including homophobia; misogyny; anti-semitism and a general dislike of the "disbelievers" to name but a few. Nobody, other than a few hard-line leftists want this because they realise that the Islamisation of the Europe represents a massive step backwards for our people.
You still need to prove the three bullet points. The overwhelming majority of Arabs living in this country are law-abiding citizens.
But I don't care about your arbitrary bullet points. You may well be right when you say that Islam contains some moderate elements, I don't know as I work off facts and evidence (i.e the Qur'an) rather than Western-liberal rhetoric, but if we do a straight comparision between Europe and the Middle East/North Africa without question Europe comes out on top, and there's strong evidence to suggest that when Muslims migrate to Europe they bring their inferior cultural practices (i.e female genitcal mutilation and enforced marriages etc) with them. Only the other week the gov't issued a statement warning teachers, doctors and airport staff to look for telltale signs of children being whisked away to Pakistan for forced marriages for example, not all Pakistanis do this of course but it is much more likely to occur in a Pakistani community than a traditional British one. Many people are uncomfortable with this and they wonder why we've had these cultural-specific problems imported here when our communties were fine as they were.
Again with the conflation. Unless you can prove the three bullet points (your thread has proved otherwise), I could not care less about Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Iran. We're talking about self-identified Muslims in the UK, who you argue are all necessarily incompatible with this country and all necessarily constitute a threat.
The point, quite clearly, is that we'll become more Middle Eastern in outlook if allow millions of people from the Arabian peninsula into the UK. Many people including myself are unhappy with that prospect because the Middle East is a very different place to Europe and a lot of rights that we take for granted here, i.e freedom of sexuality, are routinely denied over there. Why on earth the left think this is a good idea is beyond me, do they want to turn the human rights clock back by 300 years or so?
Seriously, what is the point in making a thread to supplement this discussion and then ignoring most of the responses? Is it because they prove my points?
You ask about balance in Western countries then reply to me about the state of affairs in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Iran.
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