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Hey man, I vaguely remember you were involved in the occasional embryology discussions with the Muslims here. I and some others have put together a detailed paper refuting Islamic embryology in great detail with lots of new evidence from Arabic sources. http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...6#post39705356

(I just thought you might be interested / could be useful as the subject comes up a lot here, sorry if not)

No point has been proven...

You'd have more people take you seriously if you work on the points Ive mentioned previously... Or are you incapable of doing so?

Pft you ignore whatever you can't accept and only reply to some of the points...

I ask for a damn link and all you do is bombard me with quotes...quotes that you could have puked out of anywhere... You also lie and say quotes are from links when they are not... I confront you about this and what do you do? You ignore it look for a point that you think you can even remotely be comfortable to attack....

I explain that the girl shouldnt be punished using your own damn quote and you still refute it.... Do you not trust your own damn posts?

This is why I ask for links from you...because knowing you, you could have got information out of thin air and claim it as a source...

Next time, how about not posting nonsense when you can't answer crap? Stick to replying to each point a person makes with a RELEVANT reply...

i can read a post... thank you very much
posting would be a lot easier for you if you actually post your sources and not find random quotes and say they are from the link...

I love your username!

Hey, what degree have you done/are doing?
I've seen you post in the Law section, that's all.

Are you an ex-Muslim?

I apologise that my tired eyes misread what you'd written. I thought you had said something else. Honest mistake, but of course those don't exist - rather, I either have the memory of a goldfish (apparently the goldfish is known for its poor memory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfish#Intelligence) or I am being malicious.

The reason I choose not to respond to each and every point you make is that they are not all relevant to the discussion. We could spend a thread on each one of them, and to try to handle them all in one thread would be pretty thick, especially since I do not have an office of staff ready to deal with them all.

I 'reach out' to those who show some sign of amicability and openness. Sometimes, they rather 'reach out' to me, and I'm glad to engage with them. In your case I messaged you because for a period of a couple of days, every thread I went on, whether or not it was directly about Islam, you seemed ready to pull out the infantile arguments and manipulated facts, misdirect and so forth when I didn't have the time to chase them all up. I thought, ''I'm sure this is a reasonable guy and once I've demonstrated to him that he isn't an expert on all things Islamic he would at least look at the other side of the picture.'' How wrong I was.

I see nothing 'creepy' about exchanges on one another's wall, seeing as 200 billion other people do this on TSR. It's a way of discussing something with one person as opposed to everyone. It's not a PM anyway. These messages are public, whereas PM's don't go on a wall.

Mostly I don't engage in specific threads - as I've already told you - because of time restrictions. I do engage in proper debates in person with people I know or I meet, via PM, and occasionally on TSR when I have the time. Although I wouldn't call them debates, because every controversial thread on TSR is just chaos. I'd much rather write for a university magazine or something.

Anyways, it's 1.30am.

"There is another world of Islamic discourse which you've no reason to know, and which 99% of Muslims have little engagement with." Those were my exact words, not that they're dumb. They might even be the world's greatest mathematicians but simply not be motivated to study Islam so deeply. I'm certainly not the one who said they have an ''average IQ of 2 points'' and I find it insulting.

As I stated before I've taken part in those threads only to discover that for various reasons, those long-drawn debates accomplish little. If you're comment isn't on the first page, you're exposure is so minute that you're much better off using different methods to reach out. For me, that is to pick off people whom I've interacted with who seem willing to acknowledge that as humans, we can learn something by being committed and genuinely interested in what the other person has to say. When two people are like that, they get get something out of it. I'm not available on TSR 24 hours a day like I have been in the past. This evening is a rare time for me to be on TSR in what is usually now a 72 hour working week (that's not even including the non-academic stuff).

We were having a worthwhile debate last time before you started showing signs of not taking me seriously because of course, like all Muslims, you can size me up in 5 minutes. There's nothing deep in anything I say, voluntary or involuntary, to examine, since all Muslims just don't 'get it'.

I don't claim to be smart, rather I've done my best to study Islam deeply. It is more important to realise what high order thinking requires and constitutes, than it is to be born with it, which very few of us are. Otherwise there's no use in being smart anyway. With all due respect I only point out that in the case of Islam, you have rarely presented an argument that I've read on any thread or personal exchange that isn't a typically crude and easily refuted one. The reason is obvious: you haven't studied it deeply!

I have had tremendous success in certain domains, but people on TSR usually think they must surely be smarter than the person on the other side. Personal criticism is not a common thing that I indulge in. However, with you I've found that there is no honest willingness to learn. You think you know everything because you've read a few books. I even asked you months ago about the books you've read: you were forced to admit that your Islamic reading was painfully thin. This leads you to assume that all of the Islamic arguments are the ones you get on TSR from teenagers.

''Strange online attachments''. I have a Mac. the Mac, to date, only has 2 viruses, neither of which have infected my computer (I checked). I uploaded that file to one of the safest and highest-trafficking websites on the Internet. Given various international laws and setups, there is no way in hell that that website could give you viruses. So the reason you're unwilling to download a Microsoft Word document bemuses me, but it seems like laziness. Whatever, the link is broken now because you took so long to ignore it.

3. While Islam emphasised an interdisciplinary approach, it is quite obvious that not every single discipline has to be involved in every single other discipline. I was referencing legal theory, philosophy, formal logic, linguistics, politics and theology. In addition we may add Arabic literature, since many poetic techniques in the Qur'an were new or far less developed.