I think men are more afraid to hold a door for girl, for fear she'll rant at them for thinking she's weak. Same goes for giving up their seats on buses etc etc...
It's a shame. I don't want to push my own doors, I want an etiquettely-demanded slave!
I think men are more afraid to hold a door for girl, for fear she'll rant at them for thinking she's weak. Same goes for giving up their seats on buses etc etc...
When have you actually seen that happen? I hold doors for people regardless of their gender, it's called being polite, and has nothing to do with 'chivalry' or being a gentleman.
Chivalry never existed outside of Medieval and Victorian literature. On the battle field a knight was just trying to survive, towards women men were always just trying to get laid.
Chivalry never existed outside of Medieval and Victorian literature. On the battle field a knight was just trying to survive, towards women men were always just trying to get laid.
I suppose "do you wanna have a drink later" has just replaced the fight to the deaths, then
Modernity killed it off. There's nothing wrong with being a gentlemen towards others (so long as people are gentlemen to all humans, not just women; the latter is so cringingly patronising).
When have you actually seen that happen? I hold doors for people regardless of their gender, it's called being polite, and has nothing to do with 'chivalry' or being a gentleman.
Oh, I saw it happen. Some young grungy "typical feminist" who was probably about 23 or something - bloke gave up his seat for her on the bus and she just caused a MASSIVELY awkward scene, saying "do you think women need MEN'S help? DO YOU?!" Poor bloke, I really felt for him...
With the doors, I meant letting girls walk through in front of them, not just holding them open.
Chivalry never existed outside of Medieval and Victorian literature. On the battle field a knight was just trying to survive, towards women men were always just trying to get laid.
Apparently, the chivalric code thingy said that if you saw a rival knight with a woman, you could kill him and then rape her.
Oh, I saw it happen. Some young grungy "typical feminist" who was probably about 23 or something - bloke gave up his seat for her on the bus and she just caused a MASSIVELY awkward scene, saying "do you think women need MEN'S help? DO YOU?!" Poor bloke, I really felt for him...
Lets hear three cheers for generalisation!
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With the doors, I meant letting girls walk through in front of them, not just holding them open.
As someone has already astutely pointed out, I think there's a slightly more sordid reason for that
What I find amusing are those over the top men who say things like: "I have the rights to punch a woman!!" "I'm not gonna open doors for women - those damn feminists only want equality when it suits them!" "I'm not gonna buy my girl an engagement ring cos they want feminism init!" "Why should I give up my seat for women when they want feminism?!"
There's a difference between chivalry and common courtesy.
Edit: but to answer the question, I don't think it has killed it off, but I do think some men have the attitude that they want to "get back" at feminism by being rude to women and claiming that "you asked for it when you became a feminist".
What I find amusing are those over the top men who say things like: "I have the rights to punch a woman!!" "I'm not gonna open doors for women - those damn feminists only want equality when it suits them!" "I'm not gonna buy my girl an engagement ring cos they want feminism init!" "Why should I give up my seat for women when they want feminism?!"
There's a difference between chivalry and common courtesy.
Edit: but to answer the question, I don't think it has killed it off, but I do think some men have the attitude that they want to "get back" at feminism by being rude to women and claiming that "you asked for it when you became a feminist".
Is giving seats up on a bus solely for women common courtesy though, and is it also common courtesy for a man to buy their potential fiancé an engagement ring?
Is giving seats up on a bus solely for women common courtesy though, and is it also common courtesy for a man to buy their potential fiancé an engagement ring?
I guess the last two aren't really related, but that was just a list few amusing things I've heard in these forums.
no, feminism didn't kill of manly decency. extreme hyper-feminism may, but that's not even a powerful force in society. i still try to open doors and stuff....but i also do that to non-women