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Reply 20
Sweet_Comrade
Agree about Blair, less about Brown.


I hope this does not come off as condescending but please tell me how you feel about Brown...
vnupe
I hope this does not come off as condescending but please tell me how you feel about Brown...


I think he came in at a pretty bad time. I don't think he's to blame for the country caving in, though he didn't exactly do anything remarkable.
I dislike New Labour on a whole.
Public opinion of Brown is very low at the moment.

Brown is a result of Blair's resignation.

Blair wants to distance himself from the negative public opinion, he does this by criticising him.

Blair can now continue to make lots of money and do stuff. There are still people that hate him, but by denouncing Brown it gives Blair and the public something in common, thus may help repair his image that little bit more.

Am I reading too far into this?
Reply 23
Trash talkin' for monies.

Good call, tbh.
vnupe
I can see Blair as the meglomaniac, but how do you put brown in that company? Honestly would like to know...


Sadly both these people destroyed my faith in the political process,albeit in slightly different ways. I thought that when Brown came in he would dispose of some blairite excess,but straight away he denied us a referendum on the new european constitution. The ultimate slap in the face was when he called a perfectly decent labour supporter a 'bigot'. The cat was out of the bag-the people who ran labour rather despised their natural constituency.
Gordon apparently always wanted to be PM ,from a young age, and his machievellian attitude to Blair showed the degree to which he desired that job.All the reports back from his colleagues/depts and some reliable witnessess was that Gordon was a control freak of the first order, and aggresively so on occasions.His dismissal of 'that lady' as a bigot ,showed he had disdain for the lower orders.
Reply 25
Thread sounds like a dodgy porn film
Reply 26
To sell his book.
Reply 27
Yes, of course, the man whose own career made Brown's success impossible is not ready to blame himself, despite the obviousness of the damage he caused. What a suprise.
I'm really tempted to go out and buy this book, even though Blair is an idiot. It would have been interesting to know what he thought earlier on, before Brown became hated this much.
Reply 29
As someone mentioned earlier, I think Brown spent so much because as a trained Economist he was following the Keynesian philosophy or 'kickstarting' an economy through governmental spending...

The Tories are now going the austerity budget route, and I guess to a degree the fat must be trimmed, but by how much and for how long? I believe if the pound continues to get weaker they will have to spend to stop the free fall (Economist please correct my assumption if it is wrong) I am by no means an expert in such matters..

In the end I believe it was his lack of media skills and lack of time as the head man that did him in...
Reply 30
moneyballs2
Public opinion of Brown is very low at the moment.

Brown is a result of Blair's resignation.

Blair wants to distance himself from the negative public opinion, he does this by criticising him.

Blair can now continue to make lots of money and do stuff. There are still people that hate him, but by denouncing Brown it gives Blair and the public something in common, thus may help repair his image that little bit more.

Am I reading too far into this?

I think you are spot on...
Reply 31
Fair enough he is not everyone's cup of tea... are you an Economist as well?
Reply 32
the_educated1
:rolleyes:

Because he was brutally back-stabbed by a man that was suppose to be his party ally, the one-eyed Scotsman.

Brown has no one to blame but himself. He argued that he was the right man to take Labour to the next elections, and he lost.

There is no further explanation to that.

:p:


Labour would have lost that election no matter who was our leader. Brown actually did very well to stop the Conservatives running away with it, because let's face it, it should have been a Tory landslide given the public feeling towards Labour fuelled by Tory media bias. Cameron FAILED to win the election and as a result the Tories have a watered down government with the Lib Dems. Brown can take some credit for that.

Despite what the media would have us believe, Brown was very popular in many areas, eg Scotland, Wales and parts of Northern England.
Reply 33
Peace'n'loveman
Sadly both these people destroyed my faith in the political process,albeit in slightly different ways. I thought that when Brown came in he would dispose of some blairite excess,but straight away he denied us a referendum on the new european constitution. The ultimate slap in the face was when he called a perfectly decent labour supporter a 'bigot'. The cat was out of the bag-the people who ran labour rather despised their natural constituency.
Gordon apparently always wanted to be PM ,from a young age, and his machievellian attitude to Blair showed the degree to which he desired that job.All the reports back from his colleagues/depts and some reliable witnessess was that Gordon was a control freak of the first order, and aggresively so on occasions.His dismissal of 'that lady' as a bigot ,showed he had disdain for the lower orders.


Yeah as though other politicians don't do the same as soon as they are away from the cameras :rolleyes:
Kinky title caught my attention.

That is all.
Reply 35
Another victim of Tory-media propaganda, I see.

Labour did not leave us with a ridiculous amount of debt, the global financial crisis did. It hit us out of the blue and nobody was able to stop it, and as a result the government were forced to borrow vast amounts of money in order to keep the public sector functioning and to keep the country from falling into a deeper recession. The only criticism I accept as fair is that the gov' could have stashed reserves away for a rainy day, but if you have a look at other governments around the world, very few were doing that.

You should be grateful to Brown for handling the crisis so well. His decisions kept us from falling into a near-depression. Had the Tories been in power, they self-admittedly would have refused the bailout of the financial system., which almost certainly would have caused the country to fall into a depression. Brown won statesman of the year for 2009 for his handling and leadership of the crisis, but of course the Tory media refused to report that.
fox_the_fix
Blair is one of the few politicians I respect. Everyone knew Brown would be a failure...

Can i ask why you respect him? He's one of the politicians that make me sick. Career politician springs to mind, looks at his wealth now for example and his numerous houses he holds. Also he took us into Iraq. This is another obvious popularity stunt, he craves popularity and media attention.


Teveth
Another victim of Tory-media propaganda, I see.

Labour did not leave us with a ridiculous amount of debt, the global financial crisis did. It hit us out of the blue and nobody was able to stop it, and as a result the government were forced to borrow vast amounts of money in order to keep the public sector functioning and to keep the country from falling into a deeper recession. The only criticism I accept as fair is that the gov' could have stashed reserves away for a rainy day, but if you have a look at other governments around the world, very few were doing that.

You should be grateful to Brown for handling the crisis so well. His decisions kept us from falling into a near-depression. Had the Tories been in power, they self-admittedly would have refused the bailout of the financial system., which almost certainly would have caused the country to fall into a depression. Brown won statesman of the year for 2009 for his handling and leadership of the crisis, but of course the Tory media refused to report that.

Get your facts right, obvious labour fan boy.

Sure anyone who says it was all Labour's fault is stupid. But Labour messed a lot of things up by making a ridiculous amount of spending which is impossible to maintain in our economy. Plus before leaving power they made a ridiculous amount of financial pledges which was impossible to maintain, but i guess as they knew they were going out of power they tried to make it as hard for the tories as possible. I simply cannot see how anyone can defend Labour fully for their last term in office. Sure they did some good things, i believe the minimum wage was one good thing but the system they maintained was impossible to maintain over time. They planned short term for a big boom then a big bust.
Only ignorant people would think Brown did a poor job - he was the longest serving chancellor in over a hundred years, economists around the world supported him and even Tony Blair admits he was the 'best chancellor for the country'. The USA and other countries followed his lead.

Blair stimulated the 'boom' by borrowing, Brown was left to deal with a naturally-occuring financial disaster which was always going to hit us hard and the consquences of the deficit. Blair and Brown probably made the best choices, despite where we're at right now. Blair has, however, let Brown take the fall which is pretty sad, but quite expected of a such a politician. Brown has of course made mistakes too, although people tend to notice the bad and ignore the good.
Teveth
Labour would have lost that election no matter who was our leader. Brown actually did very well to stop the Conservatives running away with it, because let's face it, it should have been a Tory landslide given the public feeling towards Labour fuelled by Tory media bias. Cameron FAILED to win the election and as a result the Tories have a watered down government with the Lib Dems. Brown can take some credit for that.

Despite what the media would have us believe, Brown was very popular in many areas, eg Scotland, Wales and parts of Northern England.


I agree with this.
Brown's biggest mistake was trying to follow what Blair started, in my opinion. Otherwise, I certainly don't think he was a bad Prime Minister, and definately not compared with who we have now.
abc101
Am I the only one who got a disgusting image in their head upon reading 'Blair on Brown'? :s-smilie:


Was waiting for someone to say this XD
agree.

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