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Reply 8720
Now you're just baiting folk Mr Pearson. Shame on you. Clever fours don't go down well in the Ozarks you know.
Reply 8721
Original post by Balagan
:laugh:


You can laugh today, you can laugh tommorow and you can even laugh on Wednesday but you will not laugh on Thursday.
Reply 8722
Screenshotted + being uploaded to Stormfront as further evidence of your crimes against Goyims.
Original post by WP88
Screenshotted + being uploaded to Stormfront as further evidence of your crimes against Goyims.


Oh, Stormfront! How lucky of me. If I am considered a "criminal" by a racist thug and a white supremacist for making a sarcastic comment then I know I am in the right. You don't know how much you've cheered me up. :smile:
Original post by jakemittle
Here is a lobby group...they have donated apparently $16.8m to the Tories







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Ah, I do vaguely remember something about that actually. A bit worrying (I certainly won't be voting Tory again in the next election after reading some quotes off their site...).

I don't think it's anything major to worry about though. No (neutral) government seems to care about what Israel is doing to Palestine any more than occasionally quietly requesting they refrain a bit (because of lobbying? I don't know) but there is no way public (or probably legal) opinion would tolerate Israel joining the EU.
What do you possibly base that on? They were naive to think Israel would show them mercy (or they knew they wouldn't so used it to create the highly damaging headlines) yes, but I'm pretty sure they all knew the risks involved in breaking a blockade in place by a notoriously trigger happy country.
Original post by callum9999
What do you possibly base that on? They were naive to think Israel would show them mercy (or they knew they wouldn't so used it to create the highly damaging headlines) yes, but I'm pretty sure they all knew the risks involved in breaking a blockade in place by a notoriously trigger happy country.


No, they were naive to think that those who organised the flotilla had peaceful intentions.
Reply 8727
Original post by CODKING
Yeah, but I bet it's a whopping great big cause of hostility to jews/zionists/israel today. Racism you can leave to poorly educated white trash, but educated middle class people have had enough of the genocide.

I would agree that some people today are anti-semetic because of what Israel does and that they fail to see the distinction between the actions of Israel (as a government and a sovereign country) and world Jewery. I would argue that these people are ignorant and racist, insofar as they blame Jews for the actions of Israel. Regardless of whether you think Israel does wrong, surely you should be able to see the distinction? You are merely providing an 'excuse' for anti-semitism.
I would argue that Israel's actions are not a cause for anti-semitism, more of an excuse. If Israel didn't exist, the die hard anti-semites would be out there (as can be seen in this thread) denying the holocaust, propagating the myth of world jewish denomination etc. . .
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Reply 8728
But secretly .... they were hiding ... the biggest threat to Israeli civilians everywhere that night ....

Pipes .... *InsertDramaticMusic*
What were their intentions?

There are claims they had basic weapons, but beyond that, I don't really see what they could have been? Israel is one of the most advanced armed forces in the world - I don't think the organisers were actually intending to cause violence with a few untrained people in an old boat. You clearly know better though so maybe you could explain it to me.
Reply 8730
Original post by WP88
Oh I see your a bigot and hypocrite that has no tolerance or acceptance for White Pride, White Nationalism, National Socialism, and Skinheads while demanding tolerance and acceptance for all, with the expectation of everyone to succumb to your demands. People like you are also known as "Multi-racial supremacists".


A person who advocates the supremacy of some particular group or race over all others.

Sorry to barge in you're conversation, but it's kind of confusing to use the words "Multi-Racial" and "Supremacists" in one go. Since the definition of a supremacist rejects the word Multi-Racial. Just wondering what you meant by it?

Human race > The use of human features to discriminate :smile:
Original post by callum9999
What were their intentions?

There are claims they had basic weapons, but beyond that, I don't really see what they could have been? Israel is one of the most advanced armed forces in the world - I don't think the organisers were actually intending to cause violence with a few untrained people in an old boat. You clearly know better though so maybe you could explain it to me.


We don't know what they could have had - that is the point. That is why the aid which enters Gaza does so under UN scrutiny and search, because of the risk posed with people attempting to smuggle Iranian-funded weapons in. I can't explain the whole situation but I'd recommend this BBC documentary on the issue.
I will do but as either way, it was technically an act of piracy, I'm disgusted by how the blockade is handled in the first place (note, not the blockade itself) and I didn't really have an informed opinion over this anyway (not to mention everything else), it won't change anything.
Reply 8733
Original post by leeber
I would agree that some people today are anti-semetic because of what Israel does and that they fail to see the distinction between the actions of Israel (as a government and a sovereign country) and world Jewery. I would argue that these people are ignorant and racist, insofar as they blame Jews for the actions of Israel. Regardless of whether you think Israel does wrong, surely you should be able to see the distinction? You are merely providing an 'excuse' for anti-semitism.
I would argue that Israel's actions are not a cause for anti-semitism, more of an excuse. If Israel didn't exist, the die hard anti-semites would be out there (as can be seen in this thread) denying the holocaust, propagating the myth of world jewish denomination etc. . .


There is much in what you say and I appreciate your reasons and absence of insults. I actually find it offensive if I am accused of anti-semitism when I'm already doing my best to focus in on Israel. Where it is difficult, possibly for both sides, is when you see the unquestioning support by so many non israeli jews the world over for the zioinist cause. That and american backing/media support does tend to have Palestinians as a very diminutive David to israel's enormous Goliath.

In summary, and this is NOT directed at your most reasonable reply; playing the race card on here is at best a rather lame tactic and at worst below the belt because there is no reply that can be given. Cheating if you like.
Reply 8734
Original post by CODKING
There is much in what you say and I appreciate your reasons and absence of insults. I actually find it offensive if I am accused of anti-semitism when I'm already doing my best to focus in on Israel. Where it is difficult, possibly for both sides, is when you see the unquestioning support by so many non israeli jews the world over for the zioinist cause. That and american backing/media support does tend to have Palestinians as a very diminutive David to israel's enormous Goliath.

In summary, and this is NOT directed at your most reasonable reply; playing the race card on here is at best a rather lame tactic and at worst below the belt because there is no reply that can be given. Cheating if you like.


Agreed, I'm a Zionist but there is much to critise about Israel and its practices, of which I am more than happy to codemn Israel for but ... Those who blame 'the jews' are racist and should be ridiculed. I could only help but notice, in the last few pages here there are some rabid anti-semitic comments.
Original post by callum9999
I will do but as either way, it was technically an act of piracy, I'm disgusted by how the blockade is handled in the first place (note, not the blockade itself) and I didn't really have an informed opinion over this anyway (not to mention everything else), it won't change anything.


It was not an act of piracy. The UN themselves have affirmed this, states U.S. Navy Commander James Kraska, who teaches international humanitarian law (IHL, otherwise known as the Law of War) at the U.S. Naval War College. Article 101 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of Sea defines piracy as "a private act, typically with some sort of pecuniary interest. And by private, that means it's not going to be a governmental act," he explains. Julian Ku debunked this too.
Reply 8736
Original post by callum9999
I will do but as either way, it was technically an act of piracy, I'm disgusted by how the blockade is handled in the first place (note, not the blockade itself) and I didn't really have an informed opinion over this anyway (not to mention everything else), it won't change anything.


You should read what the UN Human Rights Council's fact finding investigation found:

The report of the fact-finding mission of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) on the Israeli attack on the Gaza flotilla released last week shows conclusively, for the first time, that US citizen Furkan Dogan and five Turkish citizens were murdered execution-style by Israeli commandos.


Source

I also recommend reading the whole report that was released here. It outlines all the crimes committed by Israeli soldiers on that day.
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Reply 8737
You can tie it up in as much legalese as you like Mr. Pearson (that's why you're here after all), but an overwhelming force of heavily armed soldiers boarded the boats and shot civilians.
Original post by callum9999
I will do but as either way, it was technically an act of piracy, I'm disgusted by how the blockade is handled in the first place (note, not the blockade itself) and I didn't really have an informed opinion over this anyway (not to mention everything else), it won't change anything.


It's also worth reading these links and follow the links on his page - one, two, three and four - a book by someone on the flotilla. The Turkel Report is pretty good on the issue and draws from eyewitness accounts on both sides.
Ah sorry about that, I always missed the "excluding government" bit - which does kinda make sense considering drug raids by the likes of the UK etc! (Not that it makes it remotely ok - it's just a word).

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