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This should be simple but i just cant do it! Prove that an elastic head on collision between a neutron and a carbon atom which is initially stationary would result in the neutron losing about 72% of its kinetic energy to the carbon atom. I know that both KE and momentum are conserved but i can't seem to eliminate the unknowns in the equations! :s-smilie:

If any of you physicists out there can explain how it can be proved i'd be sooo grateful
Original post by lilangela
This should be simple but i just cant do it! Prove that an elastic head on collision between a neutron and a carbon atom which is initially stationary would result in the neutron losing about 72% of its kinetic energy to the carbon atom. I know that both KE and momentum are conserved but i can't seem to eliminate the unknowns in the equations! :s-smilie:

If any of you physicists out there can explain how it can be proved i'd be sooo grateful

I started by saying the neutron has mass m and velocity v. Carbon atom has mass 12m and is stationary. After collision I said neutron has velocity x and carbon atom has velocity y in the same direction of travel as the neutron was originally travelling in.
Using conservation of momentum
mv=mx+12mymv=mx+12my
This simplifies to v=x+12yv=x+12y

Conservation of energy
mv22=mx22+6my2\frac{mv^2}{2}=\frac{mx^2}{2}+6my^2
Simplifies to v2=x2+12y2v^2=x^2+12y^2

It sounds like you got this far but didn't know what to do next. The key is you want to know x in terms of v. You don't need to eliminate all the variables, just y.

Rearranging conservation of momentum for y gives y=vx12y=\frac{v-x}{12}
Substituting this value of y into conservation of momentum gives v2=x2+(vx)212v^2=x^2+\frac{(v-x)^2}{12}
12v2=12x2+(vx)212v^2=12x^2+(v-x)^2
12v2=12x2+v22vx+x212v^2=12x^2+v^2-2vx+x^2
13x22vx11v2=013x^2-2vx-11v^2=0
Complete the square or use quadratic formula to solve for x and you end up with x=v13±12v13x=\frac{v}{13}\pm\frac{12v}{13}
Obviously we are not interested in the case when x=v so we shall use x=11v13x= \frac{-11v}{13}
Kinetic energy of neutron to begin with is mv22\frac{mv^2}{2}
Kinetic energy of neutron after collision is mx22=m2×(11v13)2=121mv2338\frac{mx^2}{2}=\frac{m}{2}\times (\frac{-11v}{13})^2 = \frac{121mv^2}{338}
Final kinetic energy divided by original kinetic energy times 100 will give us the percentage of the neutrons k.e kept. (121mv2338)÷(mv22)=0.72(\frac{121mv^2}{338})\div(\frac{mv^2}{2}) = 0.72 0.72×100=720.72\times 100 = 72
This is slightly different from what you said in your post as the neutron has kept 72% of it's K.E not lost 72%. Anyway hope that helps.
(edited 11 years ago)
Thanks mate
Still have no clue

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