What motivates people to vote Labour?

I need to say one thing about the green party, they are completely stupid on their idea's of 'green energy' how can they possible be against nuclear power which is the only viable continuous source of energy?

No it wouldn't, because Conservatives and Conservative voters are not so selfish as Labour voters. Nationalisation of the health service is the reason our cancer survival rates are so awful compared with the USA.

Pensioners and students had it so ****ing easy during Labour's rule. I am glad they are now paying their fair share.

Well, there are many dangers of nuclear power.

No, they should just be made an example of and not given extravagant resources.

We need to set an example that failure is not an option. This does not mean everyone has to get a job, but if you haven't got a job you should at least have the qualifications ready for when the economy recovers!

We've got about 500,000 teenagers with two D grades in GCSE Sociology and Construction Studies and an E grade in A Level Film Studies..... !! It's not really going to help the economy much (or their employment).

What jobs? Go and find me these jobs please. Preferably ones in small coal mining villages.

You really think a miner in the Welsh Valleys can just find another job?
There are hundreds of graduates out there who can't find jobs, a few GCSEs aren't going to help them!

I think you'll find that if everyone got A grades and went to university, and ended up high on the corporate ladder the country would go to the dogs. Who would clean public facilities like schools, toilets, etc? Who would collect the bins? Who would drive buses, trains, etc? Who would clean the rubbish off the streets after your drunken night out? Who would be your secretary? Who'd work in a call centre, so you can get your lost credit card replaced or request your national insurance number, brochures etc? Who'd work in the postal service? Who'd work the beat, making sure people don't get mugged etc? Who'd cook dinners for schoolchildren? Who'd educate the next generation? Who'd build our cars, apple products, kindles, games consoles etc? Make our clothes? Collect coffee or cocoa beans? Who would bother to farm? Who'd stack shelves? Run laundrettes? Put out burning buildings? Work at Starbucks/McDonalds/Clothes stores?

A lot of the working class DO have jobs (That's why they're the working class). The WORKING POOR have less than those on benefits - that's what motivates some people not to work - because they COULDN'T AFFORD TO EAT, never mind FEED THEIR CHILDREN if they did and therefore lost the benefits they were already struggling to survive on. Not everyone can be a part of the richest 1%, because then it wouldn't be the richest 1%! But in many ways the working class are just as important, if not more so, to the economy than the richest people - think how many people would lose their jobs if no-one drove public transport and nobody built cars?! Without the working class, the 1% would not be rich - they rely on their workers to produce the product on which they earn their profit.


What qualifications do you have? Because if everyone suddenly got A*A*A* at A-level and a 1st degree then it's quite likely your qualifications would suddenly make you be seen as part of this group of "failures". Success is relative. But it's all good saying these things when you're in the group that has it easy, isn't it? Grow up.

Secondly, some of these people you want to class as "failures" may be just intelligent as you, but have had a harder start in life, they themselves are not always 100% to blame. You don't know each one personally, and have no right to pigeon-hole them.

I'll say again if binmen went on strike we'd miss them 1000 times more than we would lawyers or bankers.

I think you'll find that if everyone got A grades and went to university, and ended up high on the corporate ladder the country would go to the dogs. Who would clean public facilities like schools, toilets, etc? Who would collect the bins? Who would drive buses, trains, etc? Who would clean the rubbish off the streets after your drunken night out? Who would be your secretary? Who'd work in a call centre, so you can get your lost credit card replaced or request your national insurance number, brochures etc? Who'd work in the postal service? Who'd work the beat, making sure people don't get mugged etc? Who'd cook dinners for schoolchildren? Who'd educate the next generation? Who'd build our cars, apple products, kindles, games consoles etc? Make our clothes? Collect coffee or cocoa beans? Who would bother to farm? Who'd stack shelves? Run laundrettes? Put out burning buildings? Work at Starbucks/McDonalds/Clothes stores?

A lot of the working class DO have jobs (That's why they're the working class). The WORKING POOR have less than those on benefits - that's what motivates some people not to work - because they COULDN'T AFFORD TO EAT, never mind FEED THEIR CHILDREN if they did and therefore lost the benefits they were already struggling to survive on. Not everyone can be a part of the richest 1%, because then it wouldn't be the richest 1%! But in many ways the working class are just as important, if not more so, to the economy than the richest people - think how many people would lose their jobs if no-one drove public transport and nobody built cars?! Without the working class, the 1% would not be rich - they rely on their workers to produce the product on which they earn their profit.


What qualifications do you have? Because if everyone suddenly got A*A*A* at A-level and a 1st degree then it's quite likely your qualifications would suddenly make you be seen as part of this group of "failures". Success is relative. But it's all good saying these things when you're in the group that has it easy, isn't it? Grow up.

Secondly, some of these people you want to class as "failures" may be just intelligent as you, but have had a harder start in life, they themselves are not always 100% to blame. You don't know each one personally, and have no right to pigeon-hole them.

I am referring to the last 25 years, not right now.

Mistake number 1, leaving school without any general qualifications
Mistake number 2, not bothering with any new qualifications in 25 sodding years and just sitting on your backside claiming benefit money because the Government didnt create a job in your village. Dont wait for the job to come to you, go to the job!

You are so naive it is unreal.
Moving to an area with jobs, lets say London, requires MONEY. Money for accommodation, money for travel, money for food. Money is something these people don't have. The best they can do is go on the list for council houses which is ridiculously long - oh wait, they give priority to people in the local area.
So you are suggesting they should just up and go to London and become homeless? Doesn't sound like a good way to get a job to me.

I live in Wales, and under a LABOUR government controlling the NHS can get an appointment next-day with just a phone call.

In the last 25 years it hasn't just been London which has had jobs.

How many fathers have moved abroad for work and sent money back to the family (ever watched Aufwiedersehen Pet????? Isn't that why the TV series was made, because lots of people did that???).

They want the job put in their lap- end of. Why do they want this? Because they are used to being given everything in their lap by a Labour Government. This is exactly why people should not have things put in their lap and should be taught how to go looking for things themselves, i.e being throw in at the deep end. Whilst writing this I can still not stop thinking of natural selection. The "fitter" can survive being throw in at the deep end and the weak cannot.... except nowadays the weak get given a free £90,000 terraced house, paid for council tax, paid for prescriptions, paid for dental treatment and (if there are kids in the family) enough cash per week to somehow save up for a ps3 and widescreen tv (please take note I have made it clear without the kids I dont think you get as much residual cash on benefits).

No, I said London because that is where the most are, currently and historically. Wherever you go it still costs money to move, and there are still waiting lists.

Again, moving abroad costs money, money these people don't have.

Leaving your family is hardly something we should be encouraging in the first place, my grandad travelled the country earning money for his family and worked himself into a heart attack and an early grave at the age of 42. As a result, my dad had no relationship with his father and lost him at a young age. I think he would have preferred not to have the financial security in all honesty. That is no life.

Oh yeah, they have it so so so easy. That's why suicide rates in ex mining villages are some of the highest in the country. They want to get out, there are just no routes with which they can do so. Throw them in at the deep end and we will just end up with hundreds more homeless people with drug problems. Hardly good for the economy.

We would already be in that situation if Thatcher (Tory, not Labour) had had her way, you can't just shut down industry and provide people with no alternative.

Also I doubt you have a particularly wide knowledge of natural selection so I am not even going to argue that one with you. But that example is just some dross you have obviously pulled from the daily mail.

I have family in council estates and believe me it is more living in a mouldy 1 bedroom house with ****ty electricity and suicidal neighbours that turn up on your door bleeding everywhere. Not that you would have any idea about this as you probably haven't even met someone who lives on a council estate from way up their on your pedestal of privilege.

There were jobs elsewhere in the uk/europe/world, hence Aufwiedersehen Pet....


Besides the initial travel costs, why would living elsewhere cost more money? Even places like London have additional pay due to the cost of living. You still pay rent, you still pay utilities, you still pay taxes etc, just in a different location??


Beggars cannot be choosers.


I wasn't specifically referring to miners having a cushty life. I was referring generally, it could be a single mum in Leicester with 2 kids! Point being, they were short-termistic in what they did and guess what? It came back to haunt them.



Why should she have to provide them with an alternative? The industry was not profitable, it had to be closed down asap. These people aren't kids, they have to sort their own lives out! Seriously, I have to keep repeating myself here THEY ARE ADULTS, DON'T EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT TO WIPE YOUR BACKSIDES!


I don't read the Daily Mail, it's quite depressing how half the country are complete morons whose lives revolve around TOWIE, X Factor and what the latest celebs are wearing.


Wrong again. I grew up in a VERY dangerous area. Why do you think I hate the underclass so much? Because I know exactly what they are like...... I will never give people like that sympathy. Where I live people are in this situation because they dicked about at school and thought it was cool to not work for qualifications and now they are paying for it.

I think you'll find that if everyone got A grades and went to university, and ended up high on the corporate ladder the country would go to the dogs. Who would clean public facilities like schools, toilets, etc? Who would collect the bins? Who would drive buses, trains, etc? Who would clean the rubbish off the streets after your drunken night out? Who would be your secretary? Who'd work in a call centre, so you can get your lost credit card replaced or request your national insurance number, brochures etc? Who'd work in the postal service? Who'd work the beat, making sure people don't get mugged etc? Who'd cook dinners for schoolchildren? Who'd educate the next generation? Who'd build our cars, apple products, kindles, games consoles etc? Make our clothes? Collect coffee or cocoa beans? Who would bother to farm? Who'd stack shelves? Run laundrettes? Put out burning buildings? Work at Starbucks/McDonalds/Clothes stores?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

perhaps we should try Mitchell and Webb's tactic of 'kill all the poor'

and their take on education?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGA11A340Ck

just bear in mind I'm kidding around...

and religion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRujuE-GIY4&feature=related

Normal people...

The scarcity of binmen will result in binmen with high salaries. Being a binman will become a well paid job. As would cleaning toilets. As would working at McDonalds.

My mate's da studied economics at university and became a fireman

Your point being?