The Ultimate England Thread

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Reply 7160

username725636

Cahill. Great finish lol.

Reply 7161

Jim-Jam

Offside and questions have to be asked about why a Centre back was in the 6 yard box.

Reply 7162

DaveSmith99

And another injured player.

Reply 7163

username725636

Original post by doggyfizzel

5 in 7 = 0.71 gls per game, 6 in 9 = 0.66 gls per game in 2011. Those are the facts.

You still have failed to give this oh so obvious answer as to how he fit the system better.

I'm clearly talking about overall, hence I said he has a better goal to game ratio...

OH LOL. Can't believe this...

Reply 7164

SciFiRory

Sturridge man of the match? are you taking the piss? not even close, Parker has been easily our best player tonight.

England still have a lot of work to do to really compete with teams like Holland as well based on this, and Pearce's tactics are a mixed bag at best here too.

Reply 7165

username129099

What a finish from Young, really smart.

Reply 7166

SciFiRory

2-2, like how we only did well going forward after going 2 down :erm:

Reply 7167

Jim-Jam

The winger who does nothing but score goals and get injured!

typical.

At least Welbeck and Sturridge did alright.

Reply 7170

facdroit

Original post by doggyfizzel

What a finish from Young, really smart.

And by the way Hunterlaar is joint top scorer in the bundesliga too.
Stop with the premfacing it's embarassing.

1. Patrick Kluivert 1994–2004 40 79 0.51 1994–2008
2. Dennis Bergkamp 1990–2000 37 79 0.47 1986–2006
3. Faas Wilkes 1946–1961 35 38 0.92 1940–1964
Ruud van Nistelrooy 1998– 35 70 0.50 1994–
5. Abe Lenstra 1940–1959 33 47 0.70 1935–1963
Johan Cruyff 1966–1977 33 48 0.69 1964–1984
7. Klaas-Jan Huntelaar 2006– 30 48 0.63 2002–
8. Bep Bakhuys 1928–1937 28 23 1.22 1925–1946
9. Kick Smit 1935–1946 26 29 0.90 1924–1950
10. Robin van Persie 2004– 25 61 0.41 2001–

Reply 7171

username725636

Feel sorry for England, as that was a great comeback. Baines to blame for the winner though, didn't close down Robben quick enough.

Reply 7172

SciFiRory

Original post by KingMessi

At least Welbeck and Sturridge did alright.

Wellbeck was too isolated till after we were 2-0 down

Sturridge was okay at best, nothing like as good as he is capable of.

Reply 7173

Dorito

LOL, we're gonna win fail miserably at Euro 2012.

Reply 7174

username129099

Original post by El Ferrari

I'm clearly talking about overall, hence I said he has a better goal to game ratio...

OH LOL. Can't believe this...

Van Persie didn't play as a centre forward at club level until Ade left in 09, so he hasn't been a striker. Holland have also only played their current formation since late 08, so comparing their goal scoring rates overall when you have just said fits "the" system better is pointless.

Still no answer on this how he fit the system better....change the record.

Reply 7175

Dorito

Sturridge, man of the match?

PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA, everything about tonight was a joke. Same old England.

Reply 7176

username129099

Original post by facdroit

And by the way Hunterlaar is joint top scorer in the bundesliga too.

Hence why I said equally as good. Stop trying to make up for your earlier massive fail, you don't even know the positions in the game.

Reply 7177

Louis.

Watched the first half much more closely than the second but we seem to have the same old problems. Playing Parker alongside Barry means we tend to get split into defensive and attacking blocks with little linkage between them. Too many times attacks had to be started by one of Young, Johnson, Welbeck and usually Gerrard dropping very deep, and that means we’re struggling for numbers when going forward.

Holland actually setup fairly similar, with De Jong and Van Bommel holding, but they can get away with it by relying on the individual brilliance of Robben, Sneijder and now Van Persie. Imagine the WC 2010 side with RVP on the form he is now. :coma:

Shame that Robben and Sneijder have gone backwards, although I’d imagine both are capable of a few brilliant performances in a row in tournament football. Truth is we were up against a better team. Downing against Robben? Welbeck against Van Persie? The only guy we’ve got on a similar level to the 3 Dutch guys I’ve mentioned isn’t available.

Going forward I think we need someone alongside Parker who’s better on the ball than Barry, someone more of a playmaker. The best 2 guys I can think of for that role, Scholes and Wilshere, are both unavailable. Assuming Gerrard starts the Euros in the same role he did today the only real option I can think of is Carrick, but that’s not ideal because in too many matches his passing is too conservative which won’t fix anything. Hopefully Wilshere will get fitness and form going into the tournament and will play that role for the first 2 games, and then compete with Gerrard (although it wouldn’t be a natural role for him) when Rooney gets back and takes the position he plays at Utd.

Quality finishes for both of our goals, Pique-esque from Cahill, but I thought too many players let their heads drop after the 2 quick Dutch goals. Can put it down to inexperience I guess.

Reply 7178

username129099

Original post by Dorito

PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA, everything about tonight was a joke. Same old England.

3-2 against the WC semi finalist is a joke? Winning would be what then, acceptable? Its a good result unless you think England are on the same level as Spain/Brazil and co.

I thought it was a good game. Parker lost concentration at the end, probably when he needed to up it with the introduction of Milner. I think we really missed Rooney, needed a link up with Welbeck who was too isolated. Johnson was ineffective. Young showed why he is the best standard option for LW, although AOC could also be worth a try. Micah Richards looked a bit tired, and Jones looked out of his depth at RB. Smalling really stating a claim for CB ahead of Ferdinand at least. England need to perform on that level against equal or lower opposition rather than worrying about coming up against Spain or Holland.