If Israel nuked Iran

Typical response. U realise Khameini dedicated his whole life towards Islam?That hes written 40 books mainly on Islam? That he spent nearly 2 decades hiding as he was in opposition of Pahlavi? He started studying the Qur'an at age 5. before he was ever a politician or even an influental person.You can pretend he doesnt care, but the fact of the matter is he does. Can i give you a word of advice? Listen to BBC, Russia Today, PressTV & co. These western papers are very biased and dont tell you the whole story, listen to other news channels to see what they report, especially if based locally. In response to your Ashura mourning deaths, this was POLITICALLY based, not religiously, it has nothing to do with the Ayatollah not caring about 'shia muslims'. You realise that would mean he doesnt care about anyone in Iran , 95% is shia.
Though yes i despise the Mullah, he's a very charismatic leader (doesnt look it).
But he is highly religous and really cares for Iran and Islam (and in particular Shia). The Taliban, Al-Qaeda etc are hypocrites, but the Mullah cant be, he publicly issued a fatwa, dissobeying that fatwa would severly deteriorate his political and religious standing with the people. And even worsely he would be banished to hellfire for eternity. (i know a lot of people think its a load of rubbish but just respect someones views).

**Edit: Also, Iranian people are nowhere near as oppressed politically and religously as you are lead to believe. Recently, they had one of the largest poll turnouts in Iranian history. The peope and in particular the older generation who overthrew the Shah like the Islamic leadership, though the younger generation tend to not as much. Iran is a free country, all major western media channels have reporters in Tehran they just need to obtain a pass from the govt. islam is a large part of their life, not cause its forced upon them, but cause the majority of the people want it that way. Tehran in particular is very western and you would find shops of all major brands. The Ayatollah may be a religous nutjob, but he is not a bad leader at all, and Iranian society is much more modern than your all lead to believe. Btw, only recently Ahmadinejad (pres)was summoned before parliament for his failure to meet economic growth targets and what particular funds where spent on. Would this happen in a country thats not democratic? Can you imagine Obama or Cameron being summoned and asked this question?

If it became conclusive that Iran was on the cusp of developing a nuclear weapon, say they have a prototype ready to rest and they announced it to the world as such as they thought no one would do anything about it since they haven't so far...

Would Israel be justified to use a surprise tactical nuclear strike against Iran's nuclear reasearch sites, airforce and missile bases? The Iranians have spent a lot of time and effort re-enforcing their facilities and a nuclear option may be the most destructive and infact the only option that'd have any impact. It would be an absolute calamity if that happened for Iran, they'd lose almost all of their materials (enriched Uranium, reactors and technology), resources and scientists, cost a fortune to repair and set them back years. Plus all of the areas would be contaminated.

The way I see it, it would be Israel nukeing Iran before Iran does it to them and so we shouldn't condemn it, infact Israel would be doing the free world a favour (and Arab world) by removing this menace hanging over all of us (a theocracy that thinks a country should be wiped off the map and murders scores of its own people)

It's amusing to see you try to explain the situation in iran to an iranian.... I don't understand how you think you know better. -.-

No doubt Saudi Arabia is much worse in many ways but since when is Saudi Arabia or the Taliban a benchmark for deciding if a country is "free, democratic".

Obviously you've never been to iran... if you knew anything about iranian society you would have understood that BECAUSE of this regime, the entire next generation of iranians has been completely put off islam and religion completely. The last 150 years of iranian political development included the clerics playing a part in the struggle, but since they took power 30 years ago (and alienated everyone else) they have shown to the nation, and it will never be forgotten in iranian history, their complete failure and the damage they have done to the country.

Clearly you have never been to Iran.

Israel is the biggest threat to the 'free world'. It oppresses the Palestinians and prevents them from getting aid, they are the menace. Iran is not the type of country to bend over to others, and it is being threatened by a terror state with nukes, backed by the US and Britain.

Iran can access the Islamic countries to get to the border and it's larger army would beat Israel to a pulp, while Israel's updated airforce and weaponry (all thanks to US backing) would hurt it but could never win.

I'm generally pro-war, but to support a evil such as Israel is basically supporting friction in the middle east, a supposed threat to us.

The whole Muslim world would unite and attack Israel. Saudi Arabia would be overthrow and their modern army would wreck Israel.

Also, Iran would launch its chemical weapons at Israel

I know but why should America be the one who "hands them out"? They aren't handed out they are produced by the countries which means every country is in the same position and so should have the same rights. Its just like it would not be fair if Iran was allowed no form of national defence.

1 Major reason my friends. The US presidential election. Jewish funds are ESSENTIAL to win the election. Therefore agreements will be made by the most powerful lobbyest group in the world (Jewish lobbyests) that to secure their funding the US will at the very least back up Isreal.

I don't think it will be NATO, just Isreal and US (plus any 1 else who wants to gain favour with the US for what ever reason.

I am 100% confident in this, you guys can chose to ignore me, but my reasoning is sound and i would take no pleasure in saying "I told you so" in the next 2 years, but if you doubt me, it is what I shall do.

But you jsut said that the US is doing it to gain favour with Jews and Israel. Why would someone join a war to gain favour with the US when it's not even their war, it's Israel's. Slight contradiction there, eh?

Oh, and if you really want someone to take you serious, I suggest you use words instead of numbers, unless you're quoting numerical facts. Just makes you seem older than 12.

I disagree almost totally.

Yes Iran can retaliate, but if they retaliate against Israeli population centres in response to a small tactical strike by the Israeli's then to me all bets should be off. Israel should be able to strike in full, with all of its nuclear arsenal at Iran.

You shouldn't start a sentance with "but" either.

If you want anybody to take you seriously you need to make yourself appear older than 12.

There are many states that would want to gain favour with the US.

You completely misread my point. I never said that states didn't want to gain favour with the US, I said, why would states want to gain favour with the US by joining in a war that isn't actually the US' war?

Also, I used the word 'but' due to the fact I was continuing from a point already made. Oh, and it's sentence.

The way I see it, it would be Israel nukeing Iran before Iran does it to them and so we shouldn't condemn it, infact Israel would be doing the free world a favour (and Arab world) by removing this menace hanging over all of us (a theocracy that thinks a country should be wiped off the map and murders scores of its own people)

You also should not use the word "oh".

why would states want to gain favour with the US by joining in a war that isn't actually the US' war?

As the more nations that attack, the better it appears.

I really CBA talk to you anymore as you are bothered about spelling etc on a student forum, this is not a piece of uni work.

One, clearly you know NOTHING about war or anything remotely related.

Secondly, I'm bothered about spelling? Just because I can spell doesn't mean I'm bothered about it. If you're wanting to argue with someone, surely the best plan is to spell things as they should be. If you want people to dumb themselves down for you, I think you should probably try going elsewhere.

are you stupid?

Why on earth the west thinks we have any more right to have a bigger gun than anyone else never ceases to amaze me. all this media frenzy about iran being crazy nutcases.

Iran is by definition more democratic than the UK or the US.

Just because they're an Islamic country doesn't mean they're running around with bombs strapped to them yelling 'allahu akbar!'

Funny how were so quick to support a revolution when its instaling a new west friendly regime and are quite happy to label it the peoples revolution but when it happened in Iran. even if they do now want Nuclear capabilities who are we to deny them that. the only entity ever to use a nuclear weapon in anger is the USA. Britain still maintains its Trident Missiles at a massive cost. For crying out loud the only reason anyone ever put a man on the moon is because someone else wanted to do it first.

stop scare mongering and start looking at what a mess THIS country is in pretty sure the Iranians didn't cause this.

The futures not what it used to be.

Finally just to reiterate my point our stance on WHY Iran cant have the weapons is that they are too unstable, yet Both The UK, The US, France, ect are all actively engaged in conflicts and Israel has been for over 100 years

I'm not taking sides at all im playing devils advocate but I definitely think that we could do more in terms of negotiating. International Nuclear Disarmament would be a start.

are you stupid?

Why on earth the west thinks we have any more right to have a bigger gun than anyone else never ceases to amaze me. all this media frenzy about iran being crazy nutcases.

Iran is by definition more democratic than the UK or the US.

Just because they're an Islamic country doesn't mean they're running around with bombs strapped to them yelling 'allahu akbar!'

Funny how were so quick to support a revolution when its instaling a new west friendly regime and are quite happy to label it the peoples revolution but when it happened in Iran. even if they do now want Nuclear capabilities who are we to deny them that. the only entity ever to use a nuclear weapon in anger is the USA. Britain still maintains its Trident Missiles at a massive cost. For crying out loud the only reason anyone ever put a man on the moon is because someone else wanted to do it first.

stop scare mongering and start looking at what a mess THIS country is in pretty sure the Iranians didn't cause this.

The futures not what it used to be.

Finally just to reiterate my point our stance on WHY Iran cant have the weapons is that they are too unstable, yet Both The UK, The US, France, ect are all actively engaged in conflicts and Israel has been for over 100 years

I'm not taking sides at all im playing devils advocate but I definitely think that we could do more in terms of negotiating. International Nuclear Disarmament would be a start.

Iran is run by neo-fascist dictators who have threatened to "wipe Israel off the map". Western nations are run by democratically-elected liberals. Our "right" to nuclear weapons, as opposed to Iran, comes from the fact we're not run by backward, fascist theocrats.

What the hell are you talking about? How is a country that every candidate has to be allowed by a council of unelected religious nut cases democratic? How can you claim Iran is more democratic than the UK or US when the real power is held by an unelected dictator? And elections are regularly accused of being rigged?

Funny Russia didnt seem like much of a democracy when they where arming themselves. They hold popular elections in Iran just like they do here, just because Iran elect a government you do not agree with doesn't mean that they should not be allowed to defend themselves to the same degree that we should. that's what democracy is, people power, whether those people are morally correct is no business of democracy.