Shocking Honour Killing Story...

Labels like "extreme" Islam, "liberal" Islam etc. are meaningless.

And what exactly is an "Islamic culture"?
Just because you come from a Muslim majority country, doesnt neccessarily mean it is "Islamic", if its not following the rules of the religion.
People are just making up their own terms these days lol.

What her parents did is condoned in Islam. A woman has the right to reject or accept a marriage proposal. Her consent is a prerequisite to the validity of the marital contract, according to the Prophet's teachings. So you can't draw a link to Islam for their inhuman actions.

Islamic extremism. It may not be something condoned by the Quran, but such acts were built up from centuries of the violent treatment and insubordination of women in certain Islamic cultures.

A culture that is based on the religion of Islam, as the name suggests. Arranged marriages are a domain of Islam, and this practice is one of the main reasons that led to the demise of the unfortunate Muslim girl.

The family is muslim, you do know that right? It's rather naive to claim that the girl's murder had absolutely nothing to do with Islam. Islam has played a huge part in shaping the Islamic cultures of today.

I wouldn't say Islamic extremism is meaningless, in fact it's pretty pertinent in this day and age.

As for 'Islamic culture', there is a rather long article about it on wikipedia that you might want to consider looking at.

She clearly wasnt being 'chaste' or heeding family honour, thats why she was killed. I mean, these parents dont want their kids (or is that, daughters? I mean only the women have to suffer dont they?) to have a job or, my god, become westernized, or have a normal life that isnt resembling a rural third world village, they just want all the free things the UK gives out like the NHS and other benefits. Thats pretty obvious, or they would have stayed in Pakistan as they clearly prefer the lifestyle and people.

There are many problems with societies that still believe in honour killings, but I as a person cannot persuade them against honour killings, you have things such as acid attacks going on and FGM.

All of this seems to be sparked off by Eastern countries (to an extent most perpertrated of these kinds of crimes are usually from LEDC's), but we cannot tell them how to run their religions, or how to run their society, unfortunately we have to stand by and watch things like this happen and when it happens in England we can take charge of a situation and deal with it after it is too late.

Pakistani society does not believe in honor killings....It is the UK's failure when they let all the garbage of foreign countries in and then blame those countries...Tell me how is it Pakistan's fault if UK failed to filter out the garbage from good stuff when letting them in. I call them garbage of Pakistan, cuz they left Pakistan, cuz they were not capable of making a living there or they wanted to make more money etc....

No offense but you cant blame a foreign country for people who had been living in your country for over 10 years...10years is enough time to educate anyone, even a monkey....

Everything. People use religious texts and traditions to pursue their own beliefs and desires. Islam allows this, so does Catholicism and pretty every other religion.

Pakistani society does not believe in honor killings....It is the UK's failure when they let all the garbage of foreign countries in and then blame those countries...Tell me how is it Pakistan's fault if UK failed to filter out the garbage from good stuff when letting them in. I call them garbage of Pakistan, cuz they left Pakistan, cuz they were not capable of making a living there or they wanted to make more money etc....

No offense but you cant blame a foreign country for people who had been living in your country for over 10 years...10years is enough time to educate anyone, even a monkey....

Islam does not mandate honour killing, especially since it dosen't really recognise heredity or 'traditionalism' in the sense of ethnic lineage. Traditional cultures don't really do things in terms of adhering to orthodox religious principles- their motivations tend to be more culturally rooted.

Hence why honour killings are still prevalent in many Christian families (in Africa, for example)- there have also been cases in Catholic families, Jewish families and Hindu families.

A culture that is based on the religion of Islam, as the name suggests. Arranged marriages are a domain of Islam, and this practice is one of the main reasons that led to the demise of the unfortunate Muslim girl.

Arranged marriages are the norm around the world other than Europe and America. Another thing is that this girl had a FORCED arranged marriage which actually led to her demise. In Islam you must give consent for marriage without any other external influences otherwise it's invalid.

The family is muslim, you do know that right? It's rather naive to claim that the girl's murder had absolutely nothing to do with Islam. Islam has played a huge part in shaping the Islamic cultures of today.

Islam clearly has nothing to do with what they did......no where in Qu'ran allows this, it's murder and if you know Islam, then you'll see it's punishable by death, they acted against Islam.(No such thing as Islamic culture, cos it would mean a culture which is based on Islam which like Pakistan's culture isn't.)

I wouldn't say Islamic extremism is meaningless, in fact it's pretty pertinent in this day and age.

As for 'Islamic culture', there is a rather long article about it on wikipedia that you might want to consider looking at.

There hasnt ever been blame on Pakistan as a nation state- indeed, the Pakistani government dosen't condone honour killings either.

But, in pakistani communities, as well as other traditionalist communities, these things are prevalent, because of the notion of honour, which has its foundations in ethnic lineage and hereditary. To many Pakistani elders, this lineage is much more important than Islam itself- in that many would rather their children and grandchildren are married to, say, unreligious Pakistani men, rather than a very religious Black man, even if the latter was a Muslim.

Secondly, there is evidence, which is notable from anyone living within these communities, that certain conditions and traditions should be blindly followed without question. This includes obedience to parents and elders, with any form of questioning seen as a sign of disrespect. I can attest to this, as I myself come from a traditionalist famiy who strongly believe in their ancestral traditions, much more so than their religious ones.

Id say honour killings is a component of a large cultural problem, which will be fixed within the next few generations of south asian peoples.

The Qur'an rejected the traditional and cultural practice of killing unwanted female children soon after birth. As it appears in (Qur'an 16:58-59),the religious message states: "When news is brought to one of them, of (the birth of) a female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief. With shame he hides himself from his people, because of the bad news he has had! shall he retain it (his face) (sufferance and) contempt, or bury it in the dust? Ah! what an evil (choice) they decide on!"

The Prophet of Islam said that "one to whom a daughter is born and who does not bury her alive, does not humiliate her not prefer a son to a daughter, will be sent to Paradise". Another tradition of Muhammad makes hell fire prohibited to he who undergoes trials and tribulations due to a daughter and yet does not hate her and behaves well towards her.

Indirectly, the fact that people from this part of the world are usually very religious, religion says girls must be 'chaste', puts emphasis on family, and is heavily integrated in culture which as you will know this honour killing business belongs in.

Of course, directly no religious script allows this or encourages it.

It does however put women as nothing more than property that must keep 'honour' and stay 'chaste'. Put two and two together, think about it and you'll see how religion influences culture, especially with people from this part of the world.

There hasnt ever been blame on Pakistan as a nation state- indeed, the Pakistani government dosen't condone honour killings either.

But, in pakistani communities, as well as other traditionalist communities, these things are prevalent, because of the notion of honour, which has its foundations in ethnic lineage and hereditary. To many Pakistani elders, this lineage is much more important than Islam itself- in that many would rather their children and grandchildren are married to, say, unreligious Pakistani men, rather than a very religious Black man, even if the latter was a Muslim.

Secondly, there is evidence, which is notable from anyone living within these communities, that certain conditions and traditions should be blindly followed without question. This includes obedience to parents and elders, with any form of questioning seen as a sign of disrespect. I can attest to this, as I myself come from a traditionalist famiy who strongly believe in their ancestral traditions, much more so than their religious ones.

Id say honour killings is a component of a large cultural problem, which will be fixed within the next few generations of south asian peoples.

Wow, so you are oblivious to the fact that it does happen to the East and that it only affects immigrants into the UK? As a society in England we do not believe in honour as much as Middle Eastern families do today, people carry on their own values where ever they live, and who said I was blaming a foreign country over what happened in our country? I said as a general over view that Eastern societies practise honour killings not the UK...

What you guys are talking is complete nonsense...

Tell me if you have gone there? Or have you spent more than 3-5years continuously living there in recent times? Have you gone there and met with the lower class, have you talked to them, do you know their way of life? Or is your source, media?

I can tell you one thing, the acid throwing cases and honor killing cases etc are as rare in pakistan as similarly disgusting acts in USA are....

@phantom : I dont know when was the last time you went to pakistan, but the kind of people you are talking about usually come from rural and desert areas of sindh, baluchistan, lower punjab and some parts of khyber-pakhtukhwa and are in a minority in Pakistan...

@booyah : Having honor and killing for honor are two different things. If you have no honor, shame on you. But honor killing is not allowed by Islam, unless you consider the punishment for adultery to be honor killing....

And this honor killing is not as common as most people in uk think it is.

What you guys are talking is complete nonsense...

Tell me if you have gone there? Or have you spent more than 3-5years continuously living there in recent times? Have you gone there and met with the lower class, have you talked to them, do you know their way of life? Or is your source, media?

I can tell you one thing, the acid throwing cases and honor killing cases etc are as rare in pakistan as similarly disgusting acts in USA are....

@phantom : I dont know when was the last time you went to pakistan, but the kind of people you are talking about usually come from rural and desert areas of sindh, baluchistan, lower punjab and some parts of khyber-pakhtukhwa and are in a minority in Pakistan...

@booyah : Having honor and killing for honor are two different things. If you have no honor, shame on you. But honor killing is not allowed by Islam, unless you consider the punishment for adultery to be honor killing....

And this honor killing is not as common as most people in uk think it is.