George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Who's guilty?

Er..k. So if a "community" decides that crack dealers are in fact community heroes, the police should not be able to apprehend them? lol. It's literally parody.

Interesting. So you are a self confirmed racialist in that you believe that the state should treat people differently according to their ethnicity.

Who knows? I haven't seen any evidence confirming that Zimmerman is a crazy racist that wanted to kill blacks. Could have been the hoodie. tbh I can think of alot of people wondering around in hoodies on my estate black,white and asian that I would not feel remorse if I shot them whilst under attack.

Oh I'm sorry, were we talking about whether the riots were justified? Cos I thought we were talking about why they happened. And like it or not, that is why.

Actually if I remember rightly I believe the main thing was the police not contacting Duggan's family after killing him.




Nope. I just don't care. That's literally it. If Abbott was forced to resign, I also wouldn't care. Actually I'd probably be slightly happy since I happen to find her incredibly annoying. But I simply do not care about what she said on Twitter.




Well, there's this
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/v-fullstory/2700249/shooter-of-trayvon-martin-a-habitual.html

funny the France shooting case went cold when we found out the guy was a Muslim. What did they call the shooter before that ? oh yeah, they said he was a white man with ties to the far right. did they have proof? no, but 5 Jews have been shot, he must be white. They even wrote an article headlined ' Minority communities on stand-by' hmm. Any complaints there? Nope. No noise about that. No 'profiling' going on their eh. notice you couldn;t answer my O.J query, slaughtered a White woman didn't he..? were the black community in arms about that? nope. why? couldn't cry racism.

what about this story? ' teens set fire to kid for being 'white boy' http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station

since this story happened this march, strange how the country hasn't been plastered with coverage of this country. funny since you said racism to whites was something taken seriously. any marches over this incident? nope. have you heard of it? nope. and i think you know why.

toodle too.

I had never heard of the accusations of the shooter being a white man with ties to the far right. Seriously what news channel are you watching? In case you didn't hear, there were rumours the guy's brother has been under questioning because they think he assisted the perpetrator in some way. The story has definitely not gone cold now it's been proven that it wasn't a white man. I really know nothing about the OJ Simpson case, hence why I refused to comment on it. I don't talk about things I know nothing about, but you can't just assume the entire black community enjoys to cry racism. There are some black people who prefer to delve deeper into the issues before they assume racism is the cause of the problem. Take Morgan Freeman for example. It's just the ones who are crying racism have the louder voice. I hadn't heard of the case you posted, no, and of course it's sad, but I'm saying it's taken seriously by individuals, and not by society as a whole, which I have said from the beginning, that that is wrong and that I do not condone those sorts of double standards in any way.

If nobody cared about the tragic story you posted, then why has an article been written? Surely if nobody cared, there would be no attempts to raise awareness about it.

How long did they take to contact Tomlinson's family? Did his family galvanise the local white working class community into rioting? no.

That's the issue here. You don't care if racism goes the other way. By definition, that is racialist. Just informing you that you are a hypocrite. soz.

where does that show he's a racist? you are aware that in zimmerman's area the main description for criminals is young black male?

I had never heard of the accusations of the shooter being a white man with ties to the far right. Seriously what news channel are you watching? In case you didn't hear, there were rumours the guy's brother has been under questioning because they think he assisted the perpetrator in some way. The story has definitely not gone cold now it's been proven that it wasn't a white man. I really know nothing about the OJ Simpson case, hence why I refused to comment on it. I don't talk about things I know nothing about, but you can't just assume the entire black community enjoys to cry racism. There are some black people who prefer to delve deeper into the issues before they assume racism is the cause of the problem. Take Morgan Freeman for example. It's just the ones who are crying racism have the louder voice. I hadn't heard of the case you posted, no, and of course it's sad, but I'm saying it's taken seriously by individuals, and not by society as a whole, which I have said from the beginning, that that is wrong and that I do not condone those sorts of double standards in any way.

If nobody cared about the tragic story you posted, then why has an article been written? Surely if nobody cared, there would be no attempts to raise awareness about it.

I'm pretty sure they knew as soon as he was identified. In fact I think it was his son who identified him. So basically as soon as possible.

Still ignoring the fact that Mark Duggan was known by many while Ian Tomlinson was barely known by his own son.

Still ignoring the history of tension between the police and the members Duggan's community, which frankly is a lot more tangible than the vague relationship between 'the police' and 'the working class'.



But I am a white male. I am the 'victim' of Abbott's comment. Don't I get to decide whether or not I'm personally offended by it? I just don't think it was that bad, and frankly, from a historical perspective it had some truth to it.




Yes, so Martin was a victim of being a young black male in a place where young black males are seen as suspicious. If he hadn't been, Zimmerman would not have followed him.

Main storyline in Guardian after the shootings. Writers were chastising Sarkozy for dehumanising muslims, saying that it was a neo-nazi out to get muslims.

I agree with you and I appreciate your point of view. IMO it is largely white liberals that use double standards. The captain haddock guy earlier for example.

Expand on this. What makes it "more tangible".

Absolutely, but you don't get to decide whether other people are offended. A racist could say "but some black people i know like being called n*****". But you wouldn't take so kindly to that. If we are to live in a society where people are protected from offense based on their ethnicity, everyone has to be protected equally. From a historical perspective it had no truth to it, it was a massive generalisation. My ancestors didn't "divide and rule" anyone, they were themselves ruled by a land owning elite.

Due to their higher levels of criminality. Catch 22 i suppose.

if people are gonna blame whites for slavery, then can thank us inventing things that they use everyday.

1 article? in this a major news source? no. its a minor news soruce. are you outraged? no. because the victim doesn't fit the bill. no real story in that is there? so why isn't this national news? if whites had done it you'd have said ' ahhhh, racismmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, this isn't news because hesssss black ahhhhhhh' same old, same old.

and really? they didn't accuse the shooter of being white? of course not, it's a lie. more double standards. even though they accused him countless times of being far right. FACT. they paint a pciture of the guy they;re looking for like always. that was the description 'white far right'.

even after it was a fact that papers wrote articles headlined ' minroites on stand ' yet you fail to acknowledge that. why? makes whites looks like victims deosn't it? dont you just hate it? all people like you do is agree with anything that makes blacks look like vicitms, and disagree with anything which makes whites look they're being victimized. you just done it now. you even said/thought Zimmerman was white. you just profiled right there...

so i can't assume blacks like to cry about racism...yet you can assume the france case didn't go cold because it was a muslim doin the shooting..hmm i wonder why? yet... you can assume that every black man killed by the cops is because..hes black? change around the colour you get a different answer everytime eh?

very fair and non-double standard of you. is O.J in jail. Nope, i thought you said earlier a black doing such a thing wouldn't be walking around scot free?

you haven't claimed that Latinos are now facing special treatment even though Latino Zimmerman is walking free after gunning down innocent blacks have we. hmmm? interesting..

Yes, so Martin was a victim of being a young black male in a place where young black males are seen as suspicious. If he hadn't been, Zimmerman would not have followed him.

you need to chill tbh.

chill? you put up with a double standard for so long you can no longer 'chill'.
you supress peoples voices so much you can no longer just ' chill'.

ppl fck around with sensitive topics your gonna get an insensitive answer.

That's easy. Nobody knew who Ian Tomlinson was and his cause of death was not made explicit for a long time after he was killed. Mark Duggan from what I understand was a well liked figure within the community and him being shot in murky circumstances was really just the straw that broke the camels back for the community's relationship with the police, which has always been very strained. Obviously when the riots spread to other areas it stopped being about Duggan.

When did I ever scream 'ahhhh racism'. I said in my first post that I wouldn't judge Zimmerman on those grounds lol. You saw that I corrected my statement about Zimmerman being white, it's funny how you always run back to that one mistake I made that I already corrected because you're running out of valid points. The personal attacks on what 'I' would think are amusing also. There is no 'victim fitting the bill' issue here for me. I said I didn't know much about the O.J case, I'll read into it though. I said it was UNLIKELY that the guy would be walking around scot free, I didn't say it was impossible. You might want to rephrase the last paragraph because I really cannot understand what point you're trying to make. This has been an interesting discussion though.

neither is allowing people to riot but we still allow it dont we?

the police records show Zimmerman had suffered a broken nose with bleeding from the back of his head.

2 Witnesses concured they saw Martin on-top punching Zimmerman in the face.

Assault is a crime.

Stop listening to Al Sharpton & Jesse.