Ladies LGBT Introductory thread.

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Kerily- don't know how to quote, but yes :smile:

You're probably thinking of the right person, as all the other tuba players I know are either middle aged men or 13 year old boys... You're a trombonist, aren't you.

Reply 41

orc7

Cool thread! - I'm bi, live in Londonnnn

Reply 42

forsaken_earth

Original post by Tara_Ward

Firstly Hello everyone it's very nice to see you all here. :smile:

This is in H&R due to a problem with creating threads in other sections of the site. If a mod is reading this and despairing at the noobishness going on right now can you move it please (really sorry btw)

Right now that's out of the way, please feel free to introduce yourself here. Tell us your likes and dislikes, hobbies and the like.

Please no troll posts/ anti homosexual posts.

Thanks everyone and be sure to join the society :smile:

Helllooo!!

I'm Anna, 20, I live in north london. Chopin, angry french people, nighttime, moody sunless weather, mustard, theatre, bad decisions, grunge, football, poetry, Milton, x-men and ants. Nature, freedom, summer, russian winter. I like the colour purple, when it goes blue.
I'd love to make some friends with lgbt girls, and go 'gaying' together =)

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 43

forsaken_earth

Original post by Kerny

So men/transgender people can't post in this thread? ATS DISKRIMINATION!

yeah get out

Reply 44

username457532

WHAT? I'm gay and slightly genderqueer and thus I have to read all about it. I don't care if anyone else has the same opinion as me. I identify the way I feel.

this is so hot

Original post by ZZ9

Kerily- don't know how to quote, but yes :smile:

You're probably thinking of the right person, as all the other tuba players I know are either middle aged men or 13 year old boys... You're a trombonist, aren't you.

How is the internet such a small place? But yes, yes I am! :awesome:

(It's quite depressing that there are so few non-straight XX people in our area that I automatically knew it had to be you.)

Reply 47

ZZ9

It is pretty depressing, isn't it. I clearly need to get better at anonymous identities. I thought "I'm from Hull and I'm gay" was anonymous enough, to be honest :P

I do actually know a couple of girls in my year, but I shared a mutual dislike with one, and didn't know the other was bi until after she'd left. Shame really.

Reply 48

Serenb

It didn't feel as though you were trying to help her understand but rather to force your opinion over her. You offended her and then insulted her intellect, well done! I think you need to do some work on your delivery, then people might be more inclined to listen to you.

Personally I feel similar to smalltowngirl in that outwardly I appear feminine and I like to dress and act feminine but I think more like a man and in some ways I identify more with men because we think similarly. My best friend is straight and male and I feel more like one of the boys than one of the girls. I like maths and science and talking about bikes and cars etc.

My sister takes this further and is more polar than I am, she is far more feminine and dresses and acts more feminine. She loves make up and clothes and she is very trendy. Although she is also extremely confident and dominant which sometimes makes her appear more masculine as those qualities or at least how she expresses them are not often found in women and a lot of her friends call her a man not because she looks like one, far from it, but she definitely thinks like one. She however is straight and has no interest in women as I have no interest in men.
So fair enough environmental factors have obviously contributed to why we are as we are, because we were brought up in similar circumstances but it doesn't explain the difference in our sexuality and further more we have a half sister who also displays similar characteristics but is older and grew up on the other side of the world to where we were, without our common parent.

My sister has more knowledge on this subject than I do, as she did psychology funny enough at Hull university, but we both have a similar opinion in thinking that its the concentration of different hormones during pregnancy and while growing up that probably has a lot to do with the differences between us and other female bodied women. Apart from dna, human foetuses are the same until hormones are released which account for our biological differences. Our theory could be wrong and perhaps its because we were born and conceived in an area with high levels of ddt in the ground, which had some kind of influence over our development. Obviously we lean more to the scientific approach, but we don't know for sure and to say there is one definitive theory that explains it all is wrong. Theories are opinions until proven otherwise and I think we still have a way to go before we can explain many of the complexities on an individual basis.

I read a synopsis of the book you suggested and it sounds interesting and I think I would enjoy reading it. My initial take on it, is that if gender and sex are socially constructed then surely the outcome is dependent on the experiences of the individual. I obviously have to read it more in depth and get back to you whether it changes any of my current opinions.

Reply 49

Serenb

Original post by kerily

How is the internet such a small place? But yes, yes I am! :awesome:

(It's quite depressing that there are so few non-straight XX people in our area that I automatically knew it had to be you.)

Original post by ZZ9

My sister is friends with one of the guys who runs the LGBT society at Hull University and when I went to visit her last year. He told me I should apply there because the intake for girls in the society that year was huge by their standards, 30 I think he said.
You clearly need to infiltrate :smile:

Reply 50

username457532

I don't actually care about sociology. I'm a physicist. And I don't need to know what some academic thinks to understand my sexuality and gender identity. I've been told who to be enough that it's time to only listen to myself.

Oh, and thanks for calling my childish when you clearly have never questioned any part of who you are in relation to social norms.

Reply 51

Eveiebaby

Just my two cents not that it's worth much but I think the simple point being made is that smalltowngirl doesnt feel the need to question herself and she feels perfectly happy with the way she sees herself without needing to read up a load of material about it, however good it might be. She is herself and is happy. Some people don't feel the need to read around everything.

She's not purposefully dismissing your knowledge in the area; it's just simply about feeling the need to question yourself when you are already happy with where you are with yourself.

It seems that you feel more uncomfortable with the way she feels that she does......

Reply 52

Eveiebaby

I have read the posts again and I think she is only speaking in terms of being right about herself. She's not purposefully extrapolating any data as meaningful beyond how she defines herself and to be honest I'm not suprised she's feeling a little ruffled (as you come across a bit pushy with your viewpoint I don't know if you mean to)as I'm not suprised you may be for reason of her challenging you. After all, you know yourself better than most people ever will.

I think it's simply a case of you can read all the theory you like in the world. Most of them are still theories and cannot be used to explain every case. Theories have limits. People are people and are by nature very unpredictable which brings me to the conclusion that neither of you will win this argument.

Neither of you are right and neither of you are wrong. It's just a case of agreeing to disagree I reckon.

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 53

The.Night.Watch.Woman

Jen, nearly 17, Liverpool - nice to meet you all :biggrin:

I've read around the thread - I see the trouble with Ladies and Transgendered being together in the thread title - I'm presuming however that this thread is for Lesbian, Bi-sexual and Transgendered females, and this thread is a good way to get us women together - as, to be honest, I feel the LGBT society is predominantly male?
There are certainly, from my own experiences, more gay males on the scene than there are females!
This however may be narrow-minded of me, I have only been on the scene for a couple of years at most...

Plus - the men that come on this thread to discuss lesbian pornography... You make me feel sick; women are violated and exposed everyday for your pleasure. It's disgusting.

Reply 54

username457532

God. If only you knew me you'd understand that after everything what I feel is right for me. No-one else matters. And the people who matter to me understand. You've ruined my day. Possibly my whole week before it's really started. And all because you think some academic knows more about my gender identity, my sexuality, me than I do. That academic hasn't spent the last ten years in my head - scared, trying to escape, trapped. I'm finally comfortable with who I am. Who gave you the right to say that's wrong. You can read your books all you like, but to understand myself I don't need to.

Reply 55

Eveiebaby

Theories only work with a certain amount of confidence which means that there is always going to be a margin of error, no matter how small. What this means is that there can always be an exception to the rule and I think it's a bit arrogant of you to suggest that someone is wrong about themselves by pushing (in a high and mighty 'you know nothing and are an idiot' way) in their direction reading material without knowing a person in real life. People are people. Feelings are so difficult to measure, quantify and separate without knowing/controlling for the impossibly numerous environmental influences on each individual. I feel it would be very difficult to find a theory which would neatly 'fit all' for certain behaviours and attitudes because of this. Theories are the closest things we have to truths but they are not neccessarily complete truths and have their limitations.

Reply 56

DomDyke

Hey, I'm Dom. I'm gay, 18, and from Essex :smile:

Hoping to go Chester University to study TV Production & Media Studies :biggrin:

Reply 57

username457532

I'm depressed and have an eating disorder. I'm just getting over a friend who liked to put me down and tell me what I felt is wrong. Is that enough?

I have no idea what you're saying. But I don't care. Just accept some people don't need to understand exactly how to academic views 'gender' to understand their own.

Reply 58

Davezk

Why segregate yourself if you want to be treated like everyone else?

Reply 59

Call me Bob

And you are one of the many TSR types who seem oblivious to the impact their words can have on others.

You need to get off your high horse and, for goodness sake, stop taking yourself so seriously. You don't own gender politics. Go outside and have a little fun.