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Reply 80
Yay
I have been vegetarian for about four years now, it takes will power but is possible...Holland and Barrats is great and also any supermarket should provide a good range of organic or meat free products, even for those with lactose intolerance or wheat intolerance....
Reply 81
Hi there! Can I join? I've been a lacto vegetarian for about 10 years. But I don't really mind if other people eat meat, as long as they don't wave it in my face because I WILL throw up on them. I don't eat meat because I just think it's disgusting, not really because of any moral issues but it is disgusting how animals are kept especially battery hens. Anyway. 'nuff said. :biggrin:
Reply 82
I came accross this site http://www.geocities.com/ivmatv/ which has a lot of information on Vegetarianism. This is what it says:

1. Vegetarianism is the only natural way of eating for humans


There are clear anatomical, physiological and psychological evidences of that.

Structure of digestive organs and composition of digestive secrets of human body is the best to acquire plant food, namely fruits including fruits themselves, vegetables, nuts, and grains.

You can see detailed info in the Plant Eaters Or Meat Eaters (the article is attached below) web page.

Saying figuratively, human being is designed to consume fruits.

However, the main evidence pro vegetarianism is its pleasantness and simplicity when it is right. Please let me explain what is right vegetarianism.

2. Being vegetarian presents currently a big difficulty


Since vegetarian diet is the most suitable human being, it ought to be pleasant, easy and joyful for us. However, people who try to transit to vegetarianism experience big difficulties instead. Several days of strict vegetarian diet would surely wake up a hungry beast of prey within you.

Many famous people failed in adherence to vegetarianism and appeared later to be not vegetarian - despitereports.

However, even people who currently reckon themselves as vegetariansare not such in the original sense of that word. In point of fact, there is no true vegetarianism among varied present lifestyles called vegetarian.

This means that something is wrong with vegetarianism at present.

3. What is amiss in the present vegetarianism?


Thus, we see that lifestyles pretending to be vegetarian are not natural contrary to the expectations. Their followers have to take pills or some kinds of animal food mainly because of principal absence of vitamin B12 in usual plant foods.

However, the problem can be easily solved in full accordance with the basic vegetarian principles.

The matter is that vitamin B12 missing in plant food appears within fruits as a result of fermentation after they come off their mother plant mature, or cutting off and following long-term lying in a warm place.

The fermentation occurs owing to activity of good microflora (community of microorganisms) that naturally lives within fruits. Remember how nice are slightly overripe fruits (bananas, kiwis, pears, for example). The nice taste of such fruits accords to their benefits! Our feelings do not mislead us!

But usually such fruits are treated as refuse. Really, they are perishable, and quickly turn bad.

However, just such fruits should be eaten. And just consumption of such fruits (or their substitutes - see further) makes vegetarianism in true sense of the word possible and allows us to reject any animal food and artificial supplements. You just experience no wish for animal food if you consume overripe fruits.

Besides production of vitamin B12, good microflora destroys some specific substances within fruits (phytates). Those substances prevent absorption of essential minerals such as calcium, iron, zinc etc. - another common problem of the present vegetarianism that is currently solved by means of supplements. Maybe this microflora improves fruits in some other ways too.

In a wonderful way, this way of eating corresponds to the basic principle of vegetarianism that tells us not to injure any living creature.

Saying living creature we usually imply 'animal', but plants are alive too and one injures them when one picks fruits, leaves, stems, shoots from them, or entire plant from the ground. Thus, we shouldn't eat food obtained in that way. Of course, we mustn't injure plants for any other purpose.

In the case we eat ripe and overripe fruits fallen off their mother plants we do not injure plants.

4. Available substitutes of ripe fruits


Of course, at present it's practically impossible to obtain enough supplies of ripe and overripe fruits. Currently fruits are produced industrially and taken unripe for the purpose of shipping and storage. However, this is no reason for giving up.

There are several easy ways to overcome the problem.

1.

Leaving purchase fruits in a warm place for several days to let them ripen.

2.

Leaving a mass of crushed/rubbed/cut/pulped fruits sit in a warm place for several hours (a night, for example).

3.

Leaving extracted juice of fresh fruits sit several hours (a night, for example).

4.

Leaving cut fruits, plus cold water with sugar dissolved in it, for a couple of days in a warm place (a night, for example).

Don't put together different kinds of fruits! The matter is that different fruits contain different types of the microorganisms that can prevent activity of each other.

Consume the foods and beverages obtained in these ways any time you want and as much as you want. Rely on you feeling, and relish them, they are not pills!

Those fermented foods and drinks are to be merely additives to your vegetarian board. You need not live on them only. But it is important that you refuse eating green parts of plants (lettuce, fennel, parsley etc) because they contain bitter substances that suppress that good microflora.
Reply 83
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Victoria Wood
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William Woollard

Historical Vegetarians & Advocates of Vegetarianism

Albert Einstein
Annie Besant
Anthony Robbins
Barbara Moore
Bhaktivedanta Swami
Caitanya Mahaprabhu
Cesar Chavez
Clara Barton
Clement of Alexandria
Diogenes
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Ellen G. White
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Goldsmith
Henry Ford
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Mary Webb
Montaigne
Origen
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Clive Barker
Colin Spencer
Ed. Diana
Emanuel Swedenborg
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Franz Kafka
George Bernard Shaw
H.G. Wells
Henry David Thoreau
Henry Heimlich M.D.
Isaac Bashevis Singer
Jean Jacques Rousseau
Jeremy Bentham
John Robbins
Krishnamurti Jiddu
Leonardo Da Vinci
Louisa May Alcott
Mark Twain
Milton
Nikola Tesla
Percy Shelley
Peter Singer
Plato
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Ruth Rendell
Scott Adams
Serge Raynaud de la Ferriere
Sir C. V. Raman
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Rachael Leigh Cook
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Reina James
Rhea Perlman
Richard Bach
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Rita Tushingham
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Rob Spendlove
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Ruth Whitehead
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Simon O'Brien
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Virginia Madsen
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Models

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Gail McKenna
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Laetizia Scherrer
Pamela Bordes
Rachael Garley
Victoria Cooper
Ooh you missed off Hitler! He was a veggie :biggrin: x
Reply 85
More info :biggrin: :

Meat Eaters
Carnivorous animals, including the lion, dog, wolf, cat, etc., have many unique characteristics which set them apart from all other members of the animal kingdom. They all possess a very simple and short digestive system -- only three times the length of their bodies. This is because flesh decays very rapidly, and the products of this decay quickly poison the bloodstream if they remain too long in the body. So a short digestive tract was evolved for rapid expulsion of putrefactive bacteria from decomposing flesh, as well as stomachs with ten times as much hydrochloric acid as non-carnivorous animals (to digest fibrous tissue and bones).

Meat-eating animals that hunt in the cool of the night and sleep during the day when it is hot do not need sweat glands to cool their bodies; they therefore do not perspire through their skin, but rather they sweat through their tongues. On the other hand, vegetarian animals, such as the cow, horse, zebra, deer, etc., spend much of their time in the sun gathering their food, and they freely perspire through their skin to cool their bodies. But the most significant difference between the natural meat-eaters and other animals is their teeth. Along with sharp claws, all meat-eaters, since they have to kill mainly with their teeth, possess powerful jaws and pointed, elongated, "canine" teeth to pierce tough hide and to spear and tear flesh. They do NOT have molars (flat, back teeth) which vegetarian animals need for grinding their food. Unlike grains, flesh does not need to be chewed in the mouth to predigest it; it is digested mostly in the stomach and the intestines. A cat, for example, can hardly chew at all.

Plant Eaters
Grass-and-leaf-eating animals (elephant, cow, sheep, llama, etc.) live on grass, herbs, and other plants, much of which is coarse and bulky. The digestion of this type of food starts in the mouth with the enzyme ptyalin in the saliva. these foods must be chewed well and thoroughly mixed with ptyalin in order to be broken down. For this reason, grass-and-leaf eaters have 24 special "molar" teeth and a slight side-to-side motion to grind their food, as opposed to the exclusively up-and-down motion of carnivores. They have no claws or sharp teeth; they drink by sucking water up into their mouths as opposed to lapping it up with their tongue which all meat eaters do. Since they do not eat rapidly decaying foods like the meat eaters, and since their food can take a longer time to pass through, they have much longer digestive systems -- intestines which are ten times the length of the body.

Interestingly, recent studies have shown that a meat diet has an extremely harmful effect on these grass-and-leaf eaters. Dr. William Collins, a scientist in the New York Maimonedes Medical Center, found that the meat-eating animals have an "almost unlimited capacity to handle saturated fats and cholesterol". If a half pound of animal fat is added daily over a long period of time to a rabbit's diet, after two month his blood vessels become caked with fat and the serious disease called atheriosclerosis develops. human digestive systems, like the rabbit's, are also not designed to digest meat, and they become diseased the more they eat it, as we will later see.

Fruit eaters include mainly the anthropoid apes, humanity's immediate animal ancestors. The diet of these apes consists mostly of fruit and nuts. Their skin has millions of pores for sweating, and they also have molars to grind and chew their food; their saliva is alkaline, and, like the grass-and-leaf eaters, it contains ptyalin for predigestion. Their intestines are extremely convoluted and are twelve times the length of their body, for the slow digestion of fruits and vegetables.

Humans
Human characteristics are in every way like the fruit eaters, very similar to the grass- eater, and very unlike the meat eaters.The human digestive system, tooth and jaw structure, and bodily functions are completely different from carnivorous animals. As in the case of the anthropoid ape, the human digestive system is twelve times the length of the body; our skin has millions of tiny pores to evaporate water and cool the body by sweating; we drink water by suction like all other vegetarian animals; our tooth and jaw structure is vegetarian; and our saliva is alkaline and contains ptyalin for predigestion of grains. Human beings clearly are not carnivores by physiology -- our anatomy and digestive system show that we must have evolved for millions of years living on fruits, nuts, grains, and vegetables.
Furthermore, it is obvious that our natural instincts are non-carnivorous. Most people have other people kill their meat for them and would be sickened if they had to do the killing themselves. Instead of eating raw meat as all flesh-eating animals do, humans boil, bake, or fry it and disguise it with all kinds of sauces and spices so that it bears no resemblance to its raw state. One scientist explains it this way: "A cat will salivate with hungry desire at the smell of a piece of raw flesh but not at all at the smell of fruit. If man could delight in pouncing upon a bird, tear its still-living limbs apart with his teeth, and suck the warm blood, one might conclude that nature provided him with meat-eating instinct. On the other hand, a bunch of luscious grapes makes his mouth water, and even in the absence of hunger he will eat fruit because it tastes so good."
Scientists and naturalists, including the great Charles Darwin who gave the theory of evolution, agree that early humans were fruit and vegetable eaters and that throughout history our anatomy has not changed. The great Swedish scientist von Linné states: "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food."
Reply 86
undercover-ange
Ooh you missed off Hitler! He was a veggie :biggrin: x


:eek: really? I didn't made the list. I got it as a forwarded e-mail:wink: .
Reply 87
if you look at the links posted by goddess on bogus veggies - it includes hitler - so I guess he wasn't.
Reply 88
wow...veggie society :biggrin: how can i join...
Reply 89
Goddess

Humans
Human characteristics are in every way like the fruit eaters, very similar to the grass- eater, and very unlike the meat eaters.The human digestive system, tooth and jaw structure, and bodily functions are completely different from carnivorous animals. As in the case of the anthropoid ape, the human digestive system is twelve times the length of the body; our skin has millions of tiny pores to evaporate water and cool the body by sweating; we drink water by suction like all other vegetarian animals; our tooth and jaw structure is vegetarian; and our saliva is alkaline and contains ptyalin for predigestion of grains. Human beings clearly are not carnivores by physiology -- our anatomy and digestive system show that we must have evolved for millions of years living on fruits, nuts, grains, and vegetables.
Furthermore, it is obvious that our natural instincts are non-carnivorous. Most people have other people kill their meat for them and would be sickened if they had to do the killing themselves. Instead of eating raw meat as all flesh-eating animals do, humans boil, bake, or fry it and disguise it with all kinds of sauces and spices so that it bears no resemblance to its raw state. One scientist explains it this way: "A cat will salivate with hungry desire at the smell of a piece of raw flesh but not at all at the smell of fruit. If man could delight in pouncing upon a bird, tear its still-living limbs apart with his teeth, and suck the warm blood, one might conclude that nature provided him with meat-eating instinct. On the other hand, a bunch of luscious grapes makes his mouth water, and even in the absence of hunger he will eat fruit because it tastes so good."
Scientists and naturalists, including the great Charles Darwin who gave the theory of evolution, agree that early humans were fruit and vegetable eaters and that throughout history our anatomy has not changed. The great Swedish scientist von Linné states: "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food."


I learnt about this in my Biology Alevel course. We really are not built to eat meat. Good work Goddess for posting this interesting information on our thread!
Reply 90
Falguni
I learnt about this in my Biology Alevel course. We really are not built to eat meat. Good work Goddess for posting this interesting information on our thread!


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Reply 91
Goddess
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Yes yes yes. No one listens though, they prefer a BBQ. :frown:
Reply 92
Hiya
I have been a veggie for 16 years! (Im old lol... boo hiss)
I dont eat meat fish or geletine. OH MY GOD I could never live without cheese. Or chocolate. Or milk... lol so just a normal veggie me :smile:
Hmph

Why don't I have the cool logo? :frown:
Reply 94
I read in the Daily Telegraph this morning that eating rtoo much red meat can lead to bowel cancer or something... well see - I don't think anyone has got diseases from eating fruit, vegetables, grains or pulses.

No BSE or Bird Flu either...
Reply 95
Im a vegie, 18 years and proud of it. Only this year i accidentaly ate some ham whilst drunk at a party. Someone told me it was vegie. they lied...lied so bad. (It was in some sort of pastry..i know what ham looks like even when i am drunk.)
Urgh people do that to me when I have been drinking, try to make me eat pepperoni pizza and stuff. I have never done it though :smile: Horrible people.
Reply 97
I'm 16 and am proud to be a veggie. i am actually a lacto veggie coz i eat no eggs or fish either. how do i join this society??
Reply 98
VeerHS
I'm 16 and am proud to be a veggie. i am actually a lacto veggie coz i eat no eggs or fish either. how do i join this society??

You have to apply, see User CP...
You are extremely fortunate to still be on study leave!!
Reply 99
Jayjayjay
You have to apply, see User CP...
You are extremely fortunate to still be on study leave!!

lol ive had most of my exams...but i dnt have to go into school...so i call it study leave..

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