Grammar schools beat the private sector.

Yes, that's what has happened in the past.

My point is that modern day grammar schools aren't promoting social mobility to anything like the extent they may have done in the past, and may even act as a barrier to it. In all honesty what grammar schools may or may not have done in the past isn't really that relevant in my opinion - it's a completely different education climate now.

I certainly think the modern day grammar schools don't fit with the rest of the modern education system and we would do well to do out with the 11 plus from now. It is unfair that parents can essentially buy their way into the better state schools.

But if you take more A Levels you're likely to get more UCAS points, no?

Yeah, you wouldn't be.

I am in full support of Grammar schools (although my stand point is biased considering that I attended one). I went to a private school when I was younger and then went to a grammar school. Furthermore, my brother went to a state comp, so I am fully aware of each educationally system.

While the private sector seemed to focus on a form of education that involved presentation and your overall outlook as a person, Grammar school focused solely on exams and unequivocal ability.

From what I have gathered from the state schooling process, it was disruptive and many students seemed to discourage others from studying or showing a coherent commitment to work. This does not mean that no one was prepared to work hard!

The common misconceptions about private school are simply tiresome. Although, many do come from privileged backgrounds do not be so ignorant as to think that everyone was born with a silver spoon... etc.

I would suggest that objectively, it is best to get into a grammar school. If you cannot do so then be prepared to pay! It is however inadvisable to willingly go to a state school.

It may be, in general, detrimental to your future prospects.

Grammer schools will never come back because it was too expensive to have a 2 tier school system. It was Baroness Thatcher as education secretary in the Heath Government that closed down more grammer schools than the previous Labour government. Thatcher also had over a decade to bring back grammer schools but didn't.

The problem with using grammer schools to promote social mobility has two problems.

1. Poorer families can be priced out of the catchment area for grammers even if their kids pass the entrance exam. This can only be remedied if there are enough grammers for everyone that pass the entrance exam.

2. Poor parents can't afford to have their kids privately tutored to pass the entrance exams while better off parents can.

Personally, I'm not surprised. If anything it was expected.

Tbh, I think the grammar school system should be brought back. Why was it ever "scrapped"?

Can I just ask, is there any political party that are in favour of bringing grammars back?

UKIP perhaps? I'm not sure.

Personally, I'm not surprised. If anything it was expected.

Tbh, I think the grammar school system should be brought back. Why was it ever "scrapped"?

Can I just ask, is there any political party that are in favour of bringing grammars back?

Because they are no longer fit for purpose. They don't act as a tool for social mobility; they have become almost entirely middle-class institutions.