[Abu Umar]

Originally Posted by Diaz89

Citizenship (and visa) is called in Islamic legal parlance as a “covenant of security” (aqd al-aman). For over a thousand years, Muslim scholars have rigorously affirmed the binding nature of the covenant of security. This covenant of security can be of two types: (1) a contractual agreement or (2) a customary understanding.

Naturalized citizens in the United States enter into a contractual agreement with the government when they declare the oath of allegiance, as follows:

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same…”

A Muslim is obliged to keep to his word, and thus this oath is religiously binding upon him.

It is not the case that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside. Nay! The truth is most of them believe not. (Quran, 2:100)

When he enters into a covenant, he proves treacherous. (Sahih al-Bukhari)

Islamic scholars have stated that those who enter non-Muslim countries have to adhere to their respective laws and regulations even if they entered those countries illegally, and they have no excuse for breaking those laws, since they were entrusted to abide by those laws upon entry into those countries…As long as [a Muslim] agrees to live in a non-Muslim country, he is never to rebel against the people living in his choice of residence, even it seems too hard for him to endure.

Just a quick note, I would not bother listening to anything Suhaib Webb has to say, when he disassociates himself from the suffering of the Ummah and only sees american mozlems as his problem.

Secondly, have you read the oath, how many counts of kufr akbar are found in it? More than can be counted on a hand. And you think this is a binding covenant.

Even if we were to humour that farce for a second. Are you forgetting that a covenant is a two way process, and can be violated by the other side?

As for operations involving deceit, people like Webb would have you believe it is haraam.

Are we forgetting:

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle called,: "War is deceit". - Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268

Also, if we were to follow this flop logic, then you would have to conclude that the assasinations carried out by the Sahaba were haraam, and that RasulAllah(saws) disobeyed Allah(swt) by allowing them to lie, deceive, curse Islam and the Messenger, and falsely gain the trust of their target in order to carry out the operation.

This false fiqh falls to pieces in light of the true fiqh of Islam, and examples from the seerah.

[Abu Umar]

Originally Posted by slawaccess23

I don't think you can call those men civilians by any definition. And Abu Umar pronounced takfeer on the man that done it anyway so according to him the killer isn't a "fellow muslim".

Where did I pronounce takfir upon Nidal Hasan???????

If he renounced his oath of allegiance and made tawbah, or took it in order to deceive people then he is not a kaafir.

Which is patently obvious from his desperation to leave the army.

[pinkmoon_]

Originally Posted by Prokaryotic_crap

brother, that statement is not a generalisation

the best of muslims, the best believer, the one who had the most fear of Allah was our beloved prophet Mohammad (saw) - yet was he harsh to all kuffars?

the answer is no, infact, he never hit any kafir except in jihad fi sabilillah.

Finally.

And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say "Peace!" (25:63)

Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. (60:8) Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances) that do wrong. (60:9)

Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and says "I am of those who bow in Islam"? (41:33) Nor can Goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate! (41:34) And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint none but persons of the greatest good fortune. (41:35) And if (at any time) an incitement to discord is made to thee by the Evil One, seek refuge in Allah. He is the One Who hears and knows all things. (41:36)

Repel evil with that which is best: We are well-acquainted with the things they say. (23:96) And say: "O my Lord! I seek refuge with Thee from the suggestions of the Evil Ones; (23:97)

The best amongst you are those who have the best manners and character.
- Bukhari and Muslim

It is related by Hudaifah that the Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "Do not be of those who do (by others) as the others do (by them), and say that we will do them a favour if they do us a favour, and if they will be mean and unjust to us then we, too, will be mean and unjust to them. On the contrary, resolve that you will do good if others do good, and if they do a wrong and act unjustly, even then you will not be unfair to them.
- Tirmidhi

It is related by 'Abdullah bin Amr bin al-Aas that the Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "God will have mercy upon them that are merciful. Treat kindly the dwellers of the earth; He who dwells in the heaven will treat you kindly.
- Abu Da'ud and Tirmidhi

Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah: "Allah's Apostle said, 'Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind.'
- Bukhari

Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant. (7:199)

Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest they out of spite revile Allah in their ignorance. Thus have We made alluring to each people its own doings. In the end will they return to their Lord and We shall then tell them the truth of all that they did. (6:108)

Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth, best who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.(16:125)

These are not the words of 'sheikhs' and indeed there are many more verses, hadiths, stories of the prophet to support as such, please people be mindful of how you talk in this thread...

[_ChaRisMa_]

Originally Posted by pinkmoon_

Finally.
These are not the words of 'sheikhs' and indeed there are many more verses, hadiths, stories of the prophet to support as such, please people be mindful of how you talk in this thread...

Are you using those quotes to condemn what happened to those 13 soldiers that were departing to slaughter Muslims? Please clarify this for me so that I can respond to this post appropriately.

[pinkmoon_]

Originally Posted by _ChaRisMa_

Are you using those quotes to condemn what happened to those 13 soldiers that were departing to slaughter Muslims? Please clarify this for me so that I can respond to this post appropriately.

Huh? No.

[Abu Umar]

Originally Posted by _ChaRisMa_

Are you using those quotes to condemn what happened to those 13 soldiers that were departing to slaughter Muslims? Please clarify this for me so that I can respond to this post appropriately.

Assalamualaykum,

The quotes are being used to point out that I am being too harsh/aggressive towards the Shia Raafidha and the other kuffar on this forum.

[_ChaRisMa_]

Originally Posted by pinkmoon_

Huh? No.

Forgive me for my assumption sis.

Its difficult to grasp the point that your trying to make, having re-read it again it seems as though its a indirect response to Abu Umar, if I am mistaken, than please do clarify the point your trying to make through that post.

3alaykuma Salaam

[pinkmoon_]

Originally Posted by _ChaRisMa_

Forgive me for my assumption sis.

Its difficult to grasp the point that your trying to make, having re-read it again it seems as though its a indirect response to Abu Umar, if I am mistaken, than please do clarify the point your trying to make through that post.

3alaykuma Salaam

No problemo.

I didn't want to name names but as he's identified it himself anyway, yes it was an indirect response to that...and in general the unnecessary unpleasantness that I sometimes see n this thread.

Wa alaykum as salaam

[_ChaRisMa_]

Originally Posted by Abu Umar

Assalamualaykum,

The quotes are being used to point out that I am being too harsh/aggressive towards the Shia Raafidha and the other kuffar on this forum.

Salama 3alaykum brother

I have been following the discussions and your doing a fantastic job, I haven't seen a single trace or drop of wahn in your replies and dealings with the people of Kufr and doubt.

I want to know the point the sister is trying to make and hear it directly from herself before making a response.