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The Alternative PPE League Table (TAPPELT) 2010

University; Offer Grades/Points (A-level Points); Average UCAS Entry Points 2008 (2007)

Above 420 points
AAA Group
Oxford AAA 536(511)
Warwick AAAb 482(461) http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/courses/depta2z/philosophy/lv00/
Durham AAA M*b (2009 AAA-AAB M*p) 478(468)
York AAA M*p 452(450) (AAB in 2009) http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/pep/files/FAQ.doc#a4

Below 430 points
AAB Group
Manchester AAB 421(412)
AAB/ABBb Group
Exeter AAB-ABB(2009 ABB-BBB) 401(390)
Southampton AAB/ABBb M**B 393 [URL="http://www.southampton.ac.uk/socsci/politics
/study/ug/index.html"]Not happening in 2010. May start in 2011.

In Extra in 2009
Lancaster X ABB 385(368)
Queen's University Belfast X AAB 340(341) http://www.qub.ac.uk/schools/SchoolofPoliticsInternationalStudiesandPhilosophy/ProspectiveStudents/UndergraduateDegrees/BAPoliticsPhilosophyandEconomicsPPE/
East Anglia XC ABB-BBB 340(335)

The Rest
Essex XC 300 (200) 327(328)
Hull XC 320 309(306)
Kent XC 320 (220) 304(286)
Swansea XC 300-320 277(287) http://www.swan.ac.uk/ugcourses/Humanities/BAPhilosophyPoliticsandEconomics/
Stirling XC CCC 311(280 )
London Met XC 200 (140)

Ideally I would like the average PPE points for students at each uni. But I don't have that data. Instead I have to average the seperate figures for Philisophy, Politics and Economics.

Here is the link to TAPPELT 2009:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=870981

As Warwick now has both a higher offer (AAAb c.f. AAA-AAB) and a higher tariff average (482 c.f. 478) it is now above Durham.

Here is the link to the spreadsheet behind TAPPELT:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rlJA2q_8vQDCwOE_aJ2qV_w&output=html

Above X means the uni was in Extra in 2009 for PPE.
Above XC means the uni was in Extra in 2009 and in clearing in 2008 for PPE.

Added in Southampton

Paulwhy

But given how many PPE courses were in Extra in 2009 I don't think in general it is that hard to get offers on typical PPE courses.

That's surprising, which unis had unused places?

Reply 3

Paulwhy

Salparadise

That's surprising, which unis had unused places?

Above X means the uni was in Extra in 2009 for PPE.
Above XC means the uni was in Extra in 2009 and in clearing in 2008 for PPE.

Reply 4

indianindianindian

make a list for econ please ?

Reply 5

JayAyy

indianindianindian

make a list for econ please ?

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=900865

Reply 6

TruckBear

By the way, York's course are only giving out AAA offers now. They changed it this year.

Reply 7

Paulwhy

IeuanF

By the way, York's course are only giving out AAA offers now. They changed it this year.

Thanks for teh update.
Have you got a better reference than mine?
http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/pep/files/FAQ.doc#a4

Reply 8

economics_girl

Gosh - the average UCAS points for Oxford are so high! That works out that the average person has at least for As and an extra AS??? I certainly haven't got that!

Reply 9

Paulwhy

economics_girl

Gosh - the average UCAS points for Oxford are so high! That works out that the average person has at least for As and an extra AS??? I certainly haven't got that!

Well I should point out that the TAPPELt figures are the averages of the Econ, Phliisophy and Politics figures from the newspaper league tables, rather than from specifically from the PPE course. But I don't expect them to be significantly different:
i) the figures are very similar across all 3 subjects (538,532,538)
ii) PPE is a very figular popular course at Oxford so I expect PPE students to make up a large proportion of the students represented in each subject figure.

But yes 540 points is AAAAa and 520 points is AAAAb. So your conversion is correct. What Tariff point qualifications do you have?

Reply 10

economics_girl

Paulwhy

I'm doing 4A2s, but did the same four for AS. 4As would be 480 points? With the new A*s hopefully the points will be higher (if I manage to get any!), but of course where the stats have come from you couldn't get A*s! So I guess that's less than the average.

However, perhaps including the IB and foreign qualifications brought the tariff up? I know that say 38 points gives you many more UCAS points than three As...

Oh well, I got an offer so shouldn't complain! Am just a bit curious!

Reply 11

Paulwhy

economics_girl

yes, yes and yes

economics_girl

So I guess that's less than the average.

yes

economics_girl

However, perhaps including the IB and foreign qualifications brought the tariff up? I know that say 38 points gives you many more UCAS points than three As...

UCAS average are only UK students. And only a very low % will have done IB.

economics_girl

Oh well, I got an offer so shouldn't complain! Am just a bit curious!

all it is that most of your cohort will have done a 5th AS-level and you did not. I think you will cope...

Reply 12

TruckBear

Paulwhy

Thanks for teh update.
Have you got a better reference than mine?
http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/pep/files/FAQ.doc#a4

No - that's probably the best one.

Reply 13

trollman

also Durham now require B in AS maths and the offer is AAA

http://www.dur.ac.uk/sgia/teaching/undergraduate/ent_req_course/

and exeters is philosophy and political economy slightly different! and isnt the requirement AAB-ABB

http://www.exeter.ac.uk/undergraduate/degrees/philosophy/philecon/entry/

Reply 14

Paulwhy

trollman

Thanks for that.
Have also updated the Southampton entry to reflect that it is not starting in 2010 but may in 2011.

Reply 15

trollman

Paulwhy

Thanks for that.
Have also updated the Southampton entry to reflect that it is not starting in 2010 but may in 2011.

good man, but exeter is AAB-ABB not AAA/AAB

i thought as a ppe applicant id lend a hand! especially after so much research lol!

Reply 16

Paulwhy

trollman

good man, but exeter is AAB-ABB not AAA/AAB

i thought as a ppe applicant id lend a hand! especially after so much research lol!

fixed.

Reply 17

Enjolras22

CHRIST that UCAS tariff for Oxford is high. I refuse to accept that an 'average' is that high - that would mean there are people entering with even higher!
Well I'm screwed if its true then...

Also annoyed about the Maths necessity for Durham. Anyone have any comments on how important maths is at some of the others?
Long and short of it is I didn't know I wanted to do PPE back when I was picking A-levels so I didn't take maths. Regret it now, but I really hope it won't now get in the way of me doing what I want to do.

And Lancaster or Queen's as a lower option?

Reply 18

trollman

Enjolras22

I didn't do maths, as you can see from my ucas (in sig) universities were far from forgiving. I'd say apply ppe at Oxford and pol/phil everywhere else