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Original post by Made in the USA
It depends on what model. A base model corvette we can buy for 24,500 GBP will do 190 MPH. A corvette Z06 tops out at 198 MPH and a ZR1 Corvette 205 mph and that's stock and no one has a stock corvette.

What is so great about a US V8 is a very cheap and simple modifications will boost power quite significantly. My last Corvette was a base car but I put headers, high flow catalytic converters, an x-pipe, and had the ECU reprogrammed. With near as makes no difference, 500 hp, I'm quite certain those modifications are good for at least another 10 mph on the top end.

I really miss that car quite a bit, sold it and got a 6 year old Carrera S Porsche 911. The Porsche's engine is completely gutless compared to the US V8 and is also less reliable, more expensive to maintain, and far less economical. How did those brilliant german engineers manage that one?

It's a porsche, not a mercedes, a Ferrari or a lamborghini. Also how do you know it hadnt been ****ed up and you just got conned?
Jealous of printed notes? Nope
I'm not jealous of American wealth.

My uncle lives in the US. You have to get in a car to buy a loaf of bread, whereas I can walk to a local shop.
Original post by alexs2602
It's a porsche, not a mercedes, a Ferrari or a lamborghini. Also how do you know it hadnt been ****ed up and you just got conned?


Nah. 80 less HP and 130 less lb-ft of torque in a car weighing about the same and you are going to notice a big difference. I drove several of them before I committed to buying and they were all the same.
Original post by barnetlad
I'm not jealous of American wealth.

My uncle lives in the US. You have to get in a car to buy a loaf of bread, whereas I can walk to a local shop.


This is a really stupid post. Not everyone in the UK can walk to buy a loaf of bread and not everyone in the US needs a car to do it. In New York city having a car is often a major inconvenience and you can walk to everything.
Original post by Made in the USA
This is a really stupid post. Not everyone in the UK can walk to buy a loaf of bread and not everyone in the US needs a car to do it. In New York city having a car is often a major inconvenience and you can walk to everything.

ALMOST everyone in the UK can walk to buy bread, and most (a lot) of people in the US can't.
We have a similar issue in London as you describe in New York... You'd be stupid to try to drive places.
Original post by Made in the USA
Not everyone in the UK can walk to buy a loaf of bread.

In the county I live in, everywhere you go, you can buy bread within walking distance. Under 3% wouldn't be able too, may require a short drive although a long walk is good :smile: in saying that however I bet those in the 3% make their own bread as that is what is done in the rural communities.
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Original post by Emaemmaemily
ALMOST everyone in the UK can walk to buy bread, and most (a lot) of people in the US can't.
We have a similar issue in London as you describe in New York... You'd be stupid to try to drive places.


Yeah, but barnetlad didn't say that. He just made a generalization that isn't true for millions of people. If you don't like driving you can live in any major US city and walk to everything you need.
Original post by tehFrance
In the county I live in, everywhere you go, you can buy bread within walking distance. Under 3% wouldn't be able too, may require a short drive although a long walk is good :smile: in saying that however I bet those in the 3% make their own bread as that is what is done in the rural communities.


If you want to live in a place where you can walk to buy bread, you can and millions of americans do. If you want to live in an area that is so rural, you need a gun in your house because the nearest police station is 30 miles away, we have that too. And everything in between.
How far someone wants to live from a bakery is really up to them. Some people like rural areas, some people are city slickers. Whatever floats your boat.
Original post by Made in the USA
Yeah, but barnetlad didn't say that. He just made a generalization that isn't true for millions of people. If you don't like driving you can live in any major US city and walk to everything you need.


I don't think it's as simple as not liking the drive, so moving to the city lol. There's a lot of other factors in people's lives :wink:
I is true of millions of people... Because it's true of ALMOST all of them. That's still millions.

But this thread has gone very off-topic.
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Everything here is in walking distance. I would hate if it was any different.
Driving to buy milk etc doesn't sound nice.
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Original post by Samwest1992
Not relating to exactly what you are saying, but...

It seems that over here in the UK (maybe the rest of Europe), it is seen as a bad thing to be rich or successful. People look down (or should I say 'up') to richer people with disgust. I think it is a form of jealousy. I'm not saying people dislike others who act 'posh' or middle/upper class, but like I said, the dislike is based simply on economic status and wealth. It seems money isn't allowed to be celebrated.

However, the impression I get of the US is that economic success is seen as good thing. Something worth celebrating. It seems that people with success are looked up to with respect, and no one hates them or is jealous of them because of the success. The money simply shows that they are a hard working person, opposed to the UK where it shows you are a bad person.

I'm not trying to promote one country over another, or promoting one political ideology over another, but this is just how I see it.

Does anyone agree? Or see where I am coming from? I am sure it is not just me.


Yes I agree. Here you're not supposed to "show off" and think you are anything "special."
I couldn't care less if your country is richer than mine OP, I'm perfectly happy living here with my socialised healthcare.
Original post by Made in the USA
I love it how people who have never been here think they know more about a country than the people who live here. :rolleyes:



I think actually he was inferring that 80 miles per hour speed limits are old fashioned and that a system of no speed limits such as on the Autobahns and Autostradas is used in continental Europe
Original post by Emaemmaemily
I don't think it's as simple as not liking the drive, so moving to the city lol. There's a lot of other factors in people's lives :wink:
I is true of millions of people... Because it's true of ALMOST all of them. That's still millions.

But this thread has gone very off-topic.


I don't even know what your point is. Have you ever been to Miami Beach, FL? That's where I am living now and you can walk to get everything and it's pretty far from being as developed as manhattan or london. There are thousands of places like it where everything is accessible by foot. I don't know if you have ever been to the US or your experience is extremely limited, but there are thousands and thousands of places you can live where you can walk to everything.

If you don't like driving to get bread, don't live in a rural area. No one is forcing you to live in Alaska
Original post by Made in the USA
I don't even know what your point is. Have you ever been to Miami Beach, FL? That's where I am living now and you can walk to get everything and it's pretty far from being as developed as manhattan or london. There are thousands of places like it where everything is accessible by foot. I don't know if you have ever been to the US or your experience is extremely limited, but there are thousands and thousands of places you can live where you can walk to everything.

If you don't like driving to get bread, don't live in a rural area. No one is forcing you to live in Alaska


Yes I've been to Miami. I used to live in the US.
Of course there are lots of cities, but that doesn't mean everyone can live there. If you're born in a rural area (although it doesn't even have to be rural to need a drive to get bread), then that's where you live. I'm sure there aren't limitless houses in these cities.
Life isn't always as simple as "just move".
That's all my point was.
Original post by Muscovite
I think actually he was inferring that 80 miles per hour speed limits are old fashioned and that a system of no speed limits such as on the Autobahns and Autostradas is used in continental Europe


The average speed traveled on the autobahn in unregulated areas is about 90 mph, probably because it is so traffic choked you don't have the opportunity to go much faster. At least that's what I have heard from people who have been to Germany. I'm not sure what I'd prefer, leaglly being able to go as fast as I want, but not being able to because of traffic, or being able to illegally go as fast as I wanted in the Nevada desert because there is no chance another life form would ever see me.

I read a story about a man in the Arizona desert who got his car stuck in a ditch and survived 5 days by drinking windshield washer fluid. He survived the cold nights by covering himself in car floor mats. Finally after 5 days, another human happened to drive by on the same road and he got some help. That gives you an idea of just how desolated some of these areas can be.
Original post by Emaemmaemily
Yes I've been to Miami. I used to live in the US.
Of course there are lots of cities, but that doesn't mean everyone can live there. If you're born in a rural area (although it doesn't even have to be rural to need a drive to get bread), then that's where you live. I'm sure there aren't limitless houses in these cities.
Life isn't always as simple as "just move".
That's all my point was.


It really is that simple. If you have been to Miami you know the answer to this question.

How often do you meet someone who is "from" Miami? By that I mean born and raised here?

The answer is you almost never meet someone from here. Maybe 5% of the people in this city are actually from Miami. That's why the first question anyone ever asks you when they meet you in this place is "Where are you from?"
Original post by Made in the USA
It really is that simple. If you have been to Miami you know the answer to this question.

How often do you meet someone who is "from" Miami? By that I mean born and raised here?

The answer is you almost never meet someone from here. Maybe 5% of the people in this city are actually from Miami. That's why the first question anyone ever asks you when they meet you in this place is "Where are you from?"


My point is, the whole population couldn't do it. Sure, some people can... But a lot can't afford to move, or can't move their jobs, etc. You can't "just move".
If you still don't get my point there, I give up.

I'm off to bed anyway, early start. Night.
Original post by Emaemmaemily
My point is, the whole population couldn't do it. Sure, some people can... But a lot can't afford to move, or can't move their jobs, etc. You can't "just move".
If you still don't get my point there, I give up.

I'm off to bed anyway, early start. Night.


The premise of the argument that everyone wants to live in an urban area is false. Not everyone wants that. Some people like rural areas because they like the privacy, the relaxed life, the closer proximity to nature, the small town feel, etc. I think if you asked most people how happy they are with where they live, you would find that most have no desire to live in a more urban area where everything they need is within walking distance. It doesn't appeal to everyone

If they didn't like it (and this is where you disagree with me) they would move. Obviously the majority of people in Miami moved here from somewhere else because this place had some kind of appeal to them. What the hell that is, I can't figure out. You say it can't be done that easily, but millions do it.

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