Differentiating Tan

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  1. LimeTree.'s Avatar
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    Differentiating Tan
    x=tan(3y+1)


    What would be dx/dy?

    Cheers
  2. roar558's Avatar
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    Re: Differentiating Tan
    (Original post by LimeTree.)
    x=tan(3y+1)


    What would be dx/dy?

    Cheers
    3sec^2(3y+1)
    using differentiation by substitution
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    Re: Differentiating Tan
    d(tan x)/dx = (sec x)^2

    Try using the substitution u = 3y+1
  4. LimeTree.'s Avatar
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    Re: Differentiating Tan
    Thankyou!

    How do I use the substitution?

    Sorry, I just really dont understand this
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    Re: Differentiating Tan
    (Original post by LimeTree.)
    Thankyou!

    How do I use the substitution?

    Sorry, I just really dont understand this
    if x=tanu
    dx/du=sec^2u
    dx/dy=dx/du x du/dx
    u=ax
    du/dx=a
    dx/dy=asec^2 ax
  6. LimeTree.'s Avatar
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    Re: Differentiating Tan
    (Original post by roar558)
    if x=tanu
    dx/du=sec^2u
    dx/dy=dx/du x du/dx
    u=ax
    du/dx=a
    dx/dy=asec^2 ax
    Thankyou very much!

    So x=tan(4y+2)
    x=tanu
    dx/du=sec^2u

    u=4y+2
    du/dx=4

    dx/dy *du/dx = 4Sec^2(4y+2)



    So use chain rule with substitution?

    Thanks
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    Re: Differentiating Tan
    Another way to think about it is to use the identity that  \tan \theta\ = \frac{\sin \theta}{\cos \theta} and then to use quotient rule so in your case:

     \tan (3y+1) = \frac{\sin (3y+1)}{\cos (3y+1)}

     \dfrac{d}{dx} \dfrac{\sin (3y+1)}{\cos (3y+1)} = \dfrac{\cos (3y+1)3\cos (3y+1) - \sin (3y+1)3\sin (3y+1)}{cos^2 (3y+1)} = \dfrac{3\cos^2 (3y+1) - 3\sin^2 (3y+1)}{cos^2 (3y+1)}

     = 3(\dfrac{\cos^2 (3y+1)}{\cos^2 (3y+1)} - \dfrac{\sin^2 (3y+1)}{\cos^2 (2y+1)}) = 3(1 - \tan^2 (3y+1)) = 3\sec^2 (3y+1)

    So that's always an option if you don't want to use substitution
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    Re: Differentiating Tan
    (Original post by LimeTree.)
    Thankyou very much!

    So x=tan(4y+2)
    x=tanu
    dx/du=sec^2u

    u=4y+2
    du/dx=4

    dx/dy *du/dx = 4Sec^2(4y+2)



    So use chain rule with substitution?

    Thanks
    Yep essentially, np
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