rah girl rioter

Someone's been a naughty girl!

I maintain that morals are independent of class and wealth. In fact, working class people are probably more moralistic than the middle class.

I feel its more, the working class are less materialistic.

i dont think that follows from what i am saying. what i did say is that the stigma of a criminal offence is greater for someone engaged in society, generally speaking the middle class.

if you take an unemployed person who isnt looking for a job and whose friends dont care about criminal records the stigma of a conviction will be less of a deterrent.

there are plenty of moral working class people sure, but the origional suggestion was that because she was middle class she would care less about her conviction. i was sayin it would more likely be that she cared more!

"Grammar school girl" is hardly an impressive way to describe her poshness, I went to a grammar school and we were hardly posh. All it meant was we passed an 11+.

bet she lives in a larger house than most grammar school students.

Depends on how many days the papers bang on about it and how much reputation the VC thinks is at stake - Oxbridge doesn't have to do jack all because it's reputation is bombproof but otoh the 2009 war memorial urinator got kicked out of sheffield hallam iirc.

There's a good case for booting her out of halls tho (if she's living there) on the grounds that it's not fair to make her flatmates share with a known thief.

I feel its more, the working class are less materialistic.

That's the thing though.

I know I'll be setting some people on edge when I say this but...

Exeter isn't a high profile university. In the eyes of the general public, there are only really three or four 'high-profile' universities - Oxford, Cambridge, St. Andrews and you can argue (possibly) Durham. The rest may be 'high profile' to us, to TSR, and to academics (where I'd say Exeter is high-profile) but in the interests of the GP, no.

Oxford were prepared to take the hit and let the lad convicted of having those images on his computer continue his studies, but really the general public won't care about what university she goes to. Tbh most won't even have heard of Exeter University. I can really only see the Guardian making a fuss about her losing her university place, that's really it. Nowhere else will care.

She'll keep her university place because if the university takes her place off her, they'll get negative press.

I know, someone will say 'Well what about Charlie Gilmour' - Well he really got himself on the wrong side of the public by pissing on a war memorial, people were clamouring for him to be convicted and lose his university place. This girl who looted some stuff, nobody is really going to care about, not greatly anyways. She hasn't done anything else worse than the other thousands of looters to single herself out.

She'll keep her university place because if the university takes her place off her, they'll get negative press.

I know, someone will say 'Well what about Charlie Gilmour' - Well he really got himself on the wrong side of the public by pissing on a war memorial, people were clamouring for him to be convicted and lose his university place. This girl who looted some stuff, nobody is really going to care about, not greatly anyways. She hasn't done anything else worse than the other thousands of looters to single herself out.

OK - I think you're making the error of confusing the working class with the benefit dependent underclass IMO we should be talking about 3 classes of people here.

1. benefit dependent 'underclass' / unemployables
2. working class - including some of the other defendants, the postman and the teachers assistant, people willing and able to support themselves with jobs.
3. middle class - the rioting rah.

group 1 - no long term effect really - they don't want to work and nobody would have hired them in the first place.

group 2 - they're really shafted down into group 1 now cos (believe it or not) employers are really tight on criminal records for working class jobs, lots of these jobs require CRBs now. You need to be 'cleaner' to get a job as a bus driver than you do for a lot of middle class and graduate jobs.

group 3 - she's ruled out of some jobs in banks etc but lots of places will hire her in a few years - she's not going down a social notch - she'll be laughing it off as youthful exuberance with her posh friends in a year or two. IMO The middle class are generally more forgiving of their own, whereas the working class never get a second chance.

Bailey, who earns £1,000 a month at Stockwell Primary School, south London, left court with a newspaper over his face. A headline about “copycat cretins” covering his eyes, he walked into a lamp-post.

they need it more than rahs But that doesn't mean it's right. I abhor looters regardless of class.

I know this isn't your main point but that is way too subjective and a bold thing to state as the general opinion of GB. You might want to emphasise that it is your opinion before someone with a stronger view comes across this. I would argue that Imperial and LSE are more renowned than St. Andrews and Durham.

Back to the main point, she has basically thrown her life down the drain.

It's intersting that most of the detained did not fit the stereotype

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Now she's been named and shamed I can imagine she may also lose a lot of friends.
She has a lot to lose, despite a promising start. She was incredibly silly. Or maybe she just thought with all that money and power from her dad she'd be immune?

a) 8 months is still a long time in jail, considering the other sentences dished out both for the current rioting and the student protests. Are you suggesting that he somehow got off lightly due to 'privilege', considering all those sentence shorteners you mentioned also apply to everyone?

b) What is up with your masturbatory boner over the rich? Every single post of yours contains some kind of remark that, if you instead rephrased using stereotypes associated with the poor, would be really quite denigrating.