Tulisa sex tape "scandal" - why is sex seen as immoral?

to clear up that was a typo and i meant i do. they are not slags and you judging them as such is more of a reflection on you rather than them.

hormone levels of all types vary from person to person. every woman in the world does not have the exact same levels of every hormone. i'm not sure what a graph showing the changing levels of estradiol over a woman's menstrual cycle has to do with anything.

you have not given a proper explanation of why casual sex is immoral. it does not "****" people up (very scientific) and as i have said different people are different. even if it does "****" them up it is only themselves they are hurting, therefore not immoral as they aren't harming anyone else, it's their decision. it does not make it immoral. it is nothing to do with you.


the waist hip thing is irrelevant and your explanation of why it's relevant has no connection

anyway i'm not letting myself be drawn into this when you are just making stuff up, it's a nice day. bye.

Sure, you personally might think it's pointless, but that doesn't make it immoral or wrong in any way.

But why do we need videos or photos of anything? Football matches, holidays, nights out are all things that happen more than once in a lifetime and all things we don't reduce to just a photo album even if we do take photos.

I'm just wondering why you think the recording of sex means it loses all worth?

Sorry she's a massive slag for doing that.

Because why would a sophisticated, mature person film such an act?
Making porn is not the act of a role model.

Give the girl a medal, that is 100% truth right there. Couldn't put it better myself.

So if someone said "I won't turn up to your wedding, I'll just look at the photos" what would you say?

Videos and photos are generally of once in a life time events. A lot of people would say most night out photos are a waste of time and simply done by the bored, facebook generation...

Recording sex is seedy; it's making porn.

many people have relationships with people who they regret, stupid or clever. love is blind as they say.
she misjudged the filming, maybe she should have made sure he deleted it at the time... but she loved him and trusted him and didn't expect this to happen... haven't you been in love?

I love how it is all focused on the woman being immoral and a slut yet the man is ignored... typical.

I'd be annoyed. However, this is a somewhat poor analogy. Let us not forget that Tulisa is not inviting people to her having sex with her boyfriend, nor inviting anyone to look at the pictures or video. It was a private sex tape.


Does it make the night out just a collection of photos? Or does it still have the memories and so forth of that night?


Making porn. Well, I'll let you use the term 'porn' loosely and ignore the references to publicity that is associated. I don't see that what you said before, 'The tape reduces sex to porn.' is entirely accurate though. Does it reduce sex? What about sex makes it reducible and not other things which I've given examples of?

Furthermore, you've yet to say why porn is seedy, immoral or wrong, except that it just is and you don't personally like it. I prefer a moral code to be based on something a little more concrete than that.

A video reduces sex to merely visual fap material.

Porn is seedy because it makes sex purely about lust, and actual porn is paying people to ****. If that's not seedy then what is?

Why would you be annoyed? Why is being there more important then the photos?
A video reduces sex to merely visual fap material.

Porn is seedy because it makes sex purely about lust, and actual porn is paying people to ****. If that's not seedy then what is?

Porn is porn regardless of who watches it. It is taking what should be an intimate act and reducing it to visual pleasure.
I have explained why casual sex is immoral...nice selective reading. It's immoral because it ****s people up (no pun intended).

You seems to be treating sex like a fundamental Christian virgin. The value you have given to the act is through the roof.

Consider the case where a couple who go on their honeymoon decide to film the act, for some nostalgia when they look back at it in a years time? To recall how beautiful it was making love to the person you love on a hot sunny deserted beach for example, to recall all the wonderful feelings you felt then.



Consider a case where a couple are leaving apart for a while. They decide to make a sex-tape. Set up a camera and get very very intimate in front of it (almost forgetting to the point the camera even exists). The man goes away and the female keeps the tape. The female then proceeds to watch it whilst pleasuring herself. See feels intimate doing that because her partner isn't around and is hundred miles away.

Also, what if I said I have had a ****load of casual sex and I'm happy as always, where does your explanation come there?

Except it doesn't, necessarily. The video might bring back memories of times they had together, of that night, of things they did that night. I'm not exactly sure why you think that with sex it's reduced to just any old sex tape while for any other types of photos or videos of parts of people's lives it's still personal.


Lust is not in itself seedy. Sexual desire in itself is in no way disreputable.

Still, seedy or otherwise - I don't think anything here is immoral or wrong? If it is, what is it that makes it immoral/wrong?

Actually I'm treating sex like a mature adult and someone who understands the linked biology and psychology.

If someone videos it on their honeymoon I'd tell them to grow up, or go to a doctor, depending on their reason.

Firstly, slapping a camera into someone's hands will distract them. If they want a good time, a camera will get in the way.

If they chuck it onto a tripod, well we all know how **** One Night In Paris is to watch. There's a reason professional porn has entire camera crews.

Secondly, if it's for memoires sake, go to the doctors because the average person shouldn't struggle to recall such a moment.

Thirdly, a video is very impersonal. It captures a small part of what is going on. If you watch a video of a Ferrari on a race track, it's hardly racing the actual car, is it?

Guys can have casual sex and not be greatly affected by it. Go go nature.

Do link me to this biology and psychological reasons of yours.

If anything, you are treating sex like a virgin fundamentalist Christian tbh.

They are obviously grown. Not sure what you are implying here.

The couple doesn't care. The psychological act of doing it enables the people in the act to enjoy it even more, by multiplying the pleasure even more. The women feels naughty and dirty and gets even more turned on.

They don't care about the ****ty camera work. It just helps bring back those memories and reminisce.

Ask any person on TSR who has had sex (unlike you, I'm sorry to say. quite apparent you are a virgin as many people have pointed out). There is a MASSIVE difference between what goes on in porn and real sex.



Actually they would some years down the line. Not everyone has an eidetic memory and cannot recall the scenery of what it was like then.



Bad analogy. You haven't driven the car on race track, but you were the one having sex when you filmed it.

What if the person who gets the chance to drive an actually ferrari or a formula one car and decides to films to memoirs sake? Where does your analogy come here?



huh?

They are grown up why? Because they are having sex? Because they are married?

So the couple would rather have bad sex on their honeymoon then great sex...Riiight....

You've just ignored everything I've said. What the **** is the point in recording what will be bad sex? And what's wrong with their memories? Saying "Nah they just wanna" is pissing in the face of logic.

Ah right. "U MUST B VIRGUN"
How the **** are you a moderator?

Come back when you want to talk about this maturely.