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Tulisa sex tape "scandal" - why is sex seen as immoral?

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Original post by dbmag9
It's generally accepted that sex isn't a bad thing, but it's also generally held that to base oneself around sex isn't good (not something I really agree with, but that's the perception). Moreover, we judge public figures by their public image, and assume they have some level of control over that image even when in reality sometimes they don't. So while most people would think it likely that she has sex and have no issues with that, when it becomes public it's felt that her image is becoming more sexual, which people object to?

That didn't make much sense, but is broadly I think why people don't like sex tapes even from people they assume are sexually active.


Also this.


dbmag9 was sexfaced.
Reply 121
Two twos now

two twos now

leave it yh!!!!!!!!!!!
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Original post by Linweth
I love how it is all focused on the woman being immoral and a slut yet the man is ignored... typical.


Quite. I was wondering earlier today what if a tape of a male pop star giving head to a woman had leaked.
Original post by DJkG.1
Sorry she's a massive slag for doing that.

As for all other matters pertaining to this video, we all know the sole authority is Lethal Bizzle.


A bit unfair to be making such judgements, surely?

I haven't seen the tape, nor do I intend to. But at the end of the day, we have to assume in this case, that she didn't agree to be filmed with the intention of it being leaked onto the internet. As with most things relation to sexual conduct, we can probably assume that while she may have consented to making the video itself- the video should have only been used for private consumption.

But there is no evidence that she has had sex with multiple men consecutively. Nor is there evidence that she has gone through man after man with the sole intent of sex. Nor is there any evidence for sex as a means of manipulation. She simply engaged in sexual activity with her then boyfriend, who happened to be a douchebag, like many men who are often more guilty of being 'slags' (in the sense of having aimless sex) than women are.

So she is certainly naive, no doubt. But a slag ? Not really.
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Original post by littleone271
In my experience... filming it kinda takes away the passion. I like sex to be intimate as in like doing it because you can't keep your hands off each other. If everything has to stop so the guy can set up a camera then that in itself is/would be a huge turn off for me and it does demean the act because it likens it to porn and the whole point of porn is that there are absolutely no emotions involved and no intimacy whatsoever.


Actually no, you'd be quite wrong here. Being intimate all the time without any spontaneity or variety becomes predictable and boring. You don't have to go and "set it up", I think you could simply flip open your camera phone now and start recording.


It takes a long time to train your mind to be completely detached from sex and it's not a natural process or one without psychological mess attached. Age, experience and maturity aren't three things that go together and you can't really understand sex from a woman's point of view because it is so completely different for us.


It is, but one woman's considerations about sex is different from the next woman's. It might not even take a long time to detach from sex, heck it might not even take any time.

I am capable of having casual sex and I don't necessarily feel dirty or guilty afterwards but when I get stressed out in general with other areas of my life it's another thing to think about. At the time that I have sex with them and afterwards I might feel completely fine and be excited and turned on by the fact that I'm in complete control and that I can get sex from them whenever I want from then on all the time they're single. When I get depressed and find myself looking at life in a more negative light the other angle creeps up on me and I think about how I've cheapened myself and how I'll never be anyones wife material because at the rate I'm going by the time I'm ready to marry I will have built up a bit of a reputation for being 'easy'.


That is just societal pressure you have pointed to. And it isn't just sex here that brings 'bad feelings' when someone its stressed out, it could be anything.

I hate the term 'easy' because it infers that I'm in some way naive. If I want a relationship with a guy then I'll make him wait because I know he'll have more respect for me if I hold back a little so I'd make sure we got on well and dated exclusively for a couple of weeks or maybe a month first. I'd make sure that I said no a couple of times before I say yes lol. If I don't want a relationship with a guy and all I want him for is casual sex then it's different because there's no need for him to respect me as girlfriend material as I don't see him as boyfriend material.


Thats just generalising the male gender. What if a guy had equal respect whther you slept with him on the first night or after a year?

Having said that and even after having casual sex with quite a few different partners I still find it a bit of a kick in the teeth if I've just had sex with a guy and he says another girl is hot or I see him kissing another girl the following weekend etc. It's never completely strings free because you have to have absolutely 0 pride (associated with 0 confidence which isn't a common trait amongst women who are comfortable with casual sex) to not find it a bit annoying when you see it and think 'am I that forgettable?'. I'm not a sensitive woman but it is a bit emotionally confusing because you know you don't want them but at the same time you don't want them preferring other women to you.


Again generalising, but then remember that you both consented to being casual. Therefore getting upset over something like that could be said to be irrational behaviour.

Also, this goes for guys as well. Consider the "purity" fantasy with the old saying, "women want to be a man's last love, whilst men wants to be a woman's first love"

So yeah women CAN have casual sex but in these current times I don't believe women can ever truly escape how we feel about it when we're a bit down and it's partly due to societal pressures and stereotypes and partly due to female psychology and the hormones released after sex that make us want to cuddle and make men want to go to sleep.


This is a bit muddled.
Original post by Mendeleev's Table
The fact that she quite clearly hired a team of lawyers, got a gagging order and denied it was her, only to confess a week later. Also the fact that she has quite conveniently released a new single in the past few days is eyebrow raising.




You never were one to think logically, were you Jimbo?


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What? So you think that letting someone film you performing sexual acts is perfectly normal, rational, and could not backfire in any possible way? :giggle: Oh my, kids nowadays.
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Original post by Jimbo1234
You have utterly missed the point and why everyone has criticised the slag.
It is not because they were not married, or that it was a blow job.......but because she let him film it. Do you know who else lets people film them doing such things? Porn stars. :rolleyes:


So if you filmed your partner (wife or girlfriend), she would be a slag to?
Original post by S-man10
So if you filmed your partner (wife or girlfriend), she would be a slag to?


a) I would never film my girlfriend
b) Yes, they would be a slag and an idiot. The only other people to filmed are pornstars....or kinky weirdos looking for some type of kick because their sex life is hideously bad.
c) My girlfriend is not famous, nor am I. To be famous and do such a thing is beyond moronic.


Original post by S-man10
Tbf, I wasn't talking out of my arse and insinuating this without a reason. The points you have provided clearly say it. If you knew, then you would know that sex between two loving partners and sex in porn has a MASSIVE, MASSIVE difference.


Ha, are you really implying that these two kids "loved" each other ? :facepalm2: Clearly they did not as they are far too young to even know what love is, let alone know what they want.
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Original post by Jimbo1234
a) I would never film my girlfriend


What if she asked you to do it? And she was a virgin before you, no sexual partners at all... then still a slag?

b) Yes, they would be a slag and an idiot. The only other people to filmed are pornstars....or kinky weirdos looking for some type of kick because their sex life is hideously bad.


Not really, like I said, the psychological impact of being filmed is a turn on for normal people. If only you knew some fantasies of certain very normal women...

c) My girlfriend is not famous, nor am I. To be famous and do such a thing is beyond moronic.


Fame doesn't really matter. Would it just be Tulisa who has made a sex tape? Are there no other celebrities doing it?


Ha, are you really implying that these two kids "loved" each other ? :facepalm2: Clearly they did not as they are far too young to even know what love is, let alone know what they want.


No, but its the same point. sex in porn and real sex between two partners has a massive massive difference. I highly doubt a pornstar has sex in the same manner in his private life than on-screen
Sex is not immoral, but taped sex is.
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Original post by S-man10
Actually no, you'd be quite wrong here. Being intimate all the time without any spontaneity or variety becomes predictable and boring. You don't have to go and "set it up", I think you could simply flip open your camera phone now and start recording.


So you are some love making and porn director master? Because you seem to think your opinion is all that is needed to justify anything...
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Original post by Cool Kid
So you are some love making and porn director master? Because you seem to think your opinion is all that is needed to justify anything...


Erm huh? Mind responding to my whole post and what are you saying here?

Like I mentioned, the ****ty camera work doesn't matter at all and there is no "editing" going on to cut out the bad bits.
Morality aside; 6/10.
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Original post by 419
Why are mods deleting people's post??



That always has remained a mystery on TSR
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Original post by S-man10
Erm huh? Mind responding to my whole post and what are you saying here?

Like I mentioned, the ****ty camera work doesn't matter at all and there is no "editing" going on to cut out the bad bits.


"The camera work doesn't matter" according to who? Are you speaking for humanity now? :rofl:
No one is saying sex is immoral. However, I don't want the world to become so PC that a celebrity sex tape watched by millions means nothing because this is the modern world where we have tv programmes educating us all about sex like it's Nigella teaching us to cook Chistmas dinner. Because sex doesn't mean nothing, yet if we continue this way it'll mean no more than a ****ing handshake. I like there to be stigma around it, there should be. It's sex. People no longer bother to care about things with any depth.
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Original post by Cool Kid
"The camera work doesn't matter" according to who? Are you speaking for humanity now? :rofl:


Prove me wrong by at least articulating what you say, please
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Original post by S-man10
Prove me wrong, please


Prove yourself right first! :rofl:

I can't say "Hey everyone, aliens live on Pluto! PROVE ME WRRRROOOONG!"

You have made a completely unsubstantiated claim which is completely worthless unless you can validate it. :facepalm:

Protip: Don't get into debates if you have no idea how debates actually work :wink:
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Original post by Pi!
Quite. I was wondering earlier today what if a tape of a male pop star giving head to a woman had leaked.


:eek: You mean cunnilingus right?
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Original post by Cool Kid
Prove yourself right first! :rofl:

I can't say "Hey everyone, aliens live on Pluto! PROVE ME WRRRROOOONG!"


Actually I explained myself quite clearly if you read again. Couple do it for the memoirs, not for the porn video like quality of it, so no need to be a porn master. The enjoy the psychological thrill of being filmed, not for the camera work they put into it. All you have to do it hold the camera with one hand or stick it on a tripod and press record.

And like I quite clearly have mentioned over and over again, sex outside of porn is DIFFERENT. Therefore obviously, the camera work is quite different. Half of the stuff that is done in porn is for people to masturbate to, not for them to recall memories.


You have made a completely unsubstantiated claim which is completely worthless unless you can validate it. :facepalm:


I explained myself quite clearly over and over and again.

Original post by Cool Kid

Protip: Don't get into debates if you have no idea how debates actually work :wink:


Actually no. If I recall correctly, it seems sometimes you tend to make claims and then simply tell people to "look at the facts".

Protip: Don't debate about topics which you really seem to have no experience or knowledge about :wink2:
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