[Martyn*]

I think it was Harold Wallace Rosenthal ex-Rockerfeller and adviser to Senator Jacob Javits, who said in an interview in 1976:

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer - so I wasn't lying - and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."

I'm sure not many Jews would concur with Rosenthal. But perhaps some Jews see Lucifer as their true God? Are there any on TSR?

[Matthew12]

No for goodness sakes Jews or religious Jews believe in Hashem the God of Israel not Lucifer the devil or adversary of God in Christian theology

[Polka Dot]

(Original post by Martyn*)
I think it was Harold Wallace Rosenthal ex-Rockerfeller and adviser to Senator Jacob Javits, who said in an interview in 1976:

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer - so I wasn't lying - and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."

I'm sure not many Jews would concur with Rosenthal. But perhaps some Jews see Lucifer as their true God? Are there any on TSR?

If you have read the bible you would know this is as far from the truth as possible.

[Martyn*]

(Original post by Matthew12)
No for goodness sakes Jews or religious Jews believe in Hashem the God of Israel not Lucifer the devil or adversary of God in Christian theology

Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."

If this is a scribal error, it is certainly a major one.

[Matthew12]

What's that verse got to do with you're point?

[Polka Dot]

(Original post by Martyn*)
Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."

If this is a scribal error, it is certainly a major one.

http://www.gotquestions.org/David-census.html

[Martyn*]

(Original post by Matthew12)
What's that verse got to do with you're point?

None. But I used it to show why there may be some justification for the belief amongst the Jewis Literati (and Rosenthal was an elitist) the god of Israel and the adversary (Satan/aka Lucifer) were of the same substance (i.e., that they were one and the same). Since Rosenthal was probably aware of the traditions of Freemasonry, this is probably where he obtained this belief, if not from Rockerfeller himself. However, the traditions of Freemasonry have a long ancient history going back to ancient Egypt, and the connections between the gods of Egypt and Jehovah are very similar. Since Lucifer was the 'light bringer' one could easily say that he was 'the dawn star', aka Osiris, who was said to have come down to earth in a ball of light and brought mankind civilisation, or even Seth, the 'Dazzler'. Seth and Adam, the Egyptian Atum who also brought the light to human beings at the dawn of Creation.

Just saying.

[Martyn*]

(Original post by Polka Dot)
http://www.gotquestions.org/David-census.html

That's just unintelligible. The distraction here, is the Psalmist is highlighted to correct the mistake and tie up any theological issues which might lead one to conclude that Satan and the god of Israel were one and the same.

The fact is, that the Hebrew traditions were taugh orally and were likely a synthesis of Pagan wisdom and mythology, and we don't have any original copies of any Hebrew manuscripts. In fact, the traditions of Freemasonry are probably more related to original Hebrew mythology (as they are related to ancient Egyptian wisdom) than what is contained in the Hebrew manuscripts. For example, Enoch lived to 365. 365 is a solar year, and it Thoth in Egyptian mythology who was associated with the number 365. Masonic traditions maintain that Enoch was Hermes Trismegistus, aka Thoth.

[squishy123]

I thought Jews believed in YAHWEH, when did Hashem arrive on the block?

[frostmage]

(Original post by Martyn*)
Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."

If this is a scribal error, it is certainly a major one.

Firstly, I'd just like to make clear that (as you of course know) your claim is very silly.

From what I've read, the people were due to being punished anyway, but it is usual for G-d to punish through usual means. This time he used the wrongful consensus through which to cause punishment.

I've read the Hebrew, and in both cases (Samuel and Chronicles), the verb "enticed" is used. Not many other times is G-d "enticing" in the bible - so it's more clear that he was doing via the Satan (which, by the way, translates as "adversary" from Hebrew, so it may not be that G-d used The Satan to entice David but a Human trickster - a plausible explanation considering The Satan is actually only ever mentioned in the book of Job).

Lastly, your quoting the OT, so surely Christians are "worshiping Satan and his Son then".

[frostmage]

(Original post by squishy123)
I thought Jews believed in YAHWEH, when did Hashem arrive on the block?

The first is never spoken by Jews - not even in prayer. I don't think (I hope) I've never said it. This is the main name of G-d.
The names of G-d said in prayer (A-donai, E-l, E-lohim, Y-ah) are not spoken in casual talk so as not to transgress taking his name in vain.
Hashem (lit. The Name) is used for regular talk.