M84 - Motion on Preserving Springtime Cultural Traditions
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Re: M84 - Motion on Preserving Springtime Cultural TraditionsWell the most plausible dissent stems from the fact that these so-called "British" cultural traditions relate almost exclusively to England. Leaving aside bad dress sense in hot weather, romanticised notions of village cricket, warm beer, and other Priestleyan motifs have little to do with Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland (leaving aside the fact that Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain). I wish people would just be honest and say England when they clearly mean England. -
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Re: M84 - Motion on Preserving Springtime Cultural TraditionsYou can go much further than that in objection. Why're those things even considered English traditions? Because they happen(ed) somewhere in England? The concept of 'tradition' contained in this motion is a bizarre one - things are only considered traditional if they're unique and distinctive, like morris dancing is. It's akin to saying that stiltwalking is a French cultural tradition, when only shepherds in Gascony ever practiced it. They may mean England, but then you could argue that they clearly only meant whatever small group goes about pursuing the tradition in question.(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
Well the most plausible dissent stems from the fact that these so-called "British" cultural traditions relate almost exclusively to England. Leaving aside bad dress sense in hot weather, romanticised notions of village cricket, warm beer, and other Priestleyan motifs have little to do with Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland (leaving aside the fact that Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain). I wish people would just be honest and say England when they clearly mean England.
And NI can be considered British as it's a part of the British Isles, in the same way a Manx is British, or a Shetlander. -
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Re: M84 - Motion on Preserving Springtime Cultural TraditionsI do share this view but was trying not to provoke the others that much!(Original post by JPKC)
You can go much further than that in objection. Why're those things even considered English traditions? Because they happen(ed) somewhere in England? The concept of 'tradition' contained in this motion is a bizarre one - things are only considered traditional if they're unique and distinctive, like morris dancing is. It's akin to saying that stiltwalking is a French cultural tradition, when only shepherds in Gascony ever practiced it. They may mean England, but then you could argue that they clearly only meant whatever small group goes about pursuing the tradition in question.
Yes but I said not part of Great Britain which is absolutely true. The term "British Isles" is so over-loaded with cultural assumption that I've given up using it. I tend to go with North-West European archipelago now. It avoids annoying my Irish friends.And NI can be considered British as it's a part of the British Isles, in the same way a Manx is British, or a Shetlander. -
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Re: M84 - Motion on Preserving Springtime Cultural TraditionsI'm sure their bloods will boil with rage, the blanket fort has been toppled.(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
I do share this view but was trying not to provoke the others that much!
It's a difficult one. If a country seceded from the EU I wonder if they'd insist on no longer being considered a part of Europe geographically...Yes but I said not part of Great Britain which is absolutely true. The term "British Isles" is so over-loaded with cultural assumption that I've given up using it. I tend to go with North-West European archipelago now. It avoids annoying my Irish friends. -
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Re: M84 - Motion on Preserving Springtime Cultural TraditionsWell the European Union doesn't have a monopoly on the notion of Europe. However, when you have a country that was an imperial possession and then left that Empire, I think the notion that they can still be called British on the basis of being part of the British Isles is rather galling.(Original post by JPKC)
It's a difficult one. If a country seceded from the EU I wonder if they'd insist on no longer being considered a part of Europe geographically... -
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Re: M84 - Motion on Preserving Springtime Cultural TraditionsCricket is played in Scotland and Wales. As for inability to dress properly in hot weather, Imogen Thomas (or in her case, is that inability to dress in a way that is not designed to be attention seeking).(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
Well the most plausible dissent stems from the fact that these so-called "British" cultural traditions relate almost exclusively to England. Leaving aside bad dress sense in hot weather, romanticised notions of village cricket, warm beer, and other Priestleyan motifs have little to do with Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland (leaving aside the fact that Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain). I wish people would just be honest and say England when they clearly mean England. -
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Re: M84 - Motion on Preserving Springtime Cultural TraditionsCricket is played, sure, but "village cricket" played in quiet country towns with village greens and a small Anglican church nearby? No, I don't think so. And the fact you point to the inability to dress properly in hot weather clearly shows you didn't read my post very well. I said, "leaving aside inability to dress" which implies that that particular aspect is common across Great Britain. This motion is so English it might as well be Cockney.(Original post by barnetlad)
Cricket is played in Scotland and Wales. As for inability to dress properly in hot weather, Imogen Thomas (or in her case, is that inability to dress in a way that is not designed to be attention seeking).
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