[Chi019]

There is an extremely close correlation between national IQ and prosperity. It's also closely correlated with any number of highly important things like productivity, criminality, civic-mindedness, welfare dependency, etc.'

One major factor is the immigration system. Anatoly Karlin has looked at PISA results from second generation immigrants in various countries. It's more useful to compare the 2nd generation with natives than the 1st generation because their educational environments will have been similar; the language issue will have vastly declined in importance etc.

To summarise:

(1) Australia (2nd generation migrants have +2 IQ points relative to natives) and Singapore (+1), two countries with immigration policies that boost national IQ.

(2) Canada’s (-2) system is mixed, with many immigrants of both high and low quality.

(3) UK’s (-2) is about the as Canada - very variable.

(4) 5) Spain (-5), Italy (-6), Norway (-7), Sweden (-9), the Netherlands (-9), France (-9), Germany (-10) and Belgium (-11) have progressively worse quality immigrants relative to the natives in their countries.

As Karlin notes:

Countries experiencing a net fall in the average IQ relative to the native IQ of more than 2 points include Benelux and the Germanic lands. More modest falls in average IQ are experienced in France, the UK, Russia, and Canada. The gap in the US is only 0.9 – presumably, because unskilled Hispanic immigrants aren’t the worst types can get, and are further counterbalanced by many skilled, high-IQ immigrants from Asia;

[Carecup]

I would have thought as they go through the education system over time the difference would equalize/ become negligible.

I also feel that there are other factors at play here such as the tendency for 1st/2nd generation immigrants to be poor/working class hence less educational opportunities.

[Chi019]

(Original post by Carecup)
I would have thought as they go through the education system over time the difference would equalize/ become negligible.

I also feel that there are other factors at play here such as the tendency for 1st/2nd generation immigrants to be poor/working class hence less educational opportunities.

Would be much simpler if that were the case, but it seems there are persistent population differences. There is a fair bit of debate on this.

[cambio wechsel]

Asked how he felt about the claimed brain-drain of New Zealanders to Australia, New Zealand president Robert Muldoon famously replied "when a New Zealander emigrates to Australia the average IQ in both countries goes up".

[Chi019]

(Original post by cambio wechsel)
Asked how he felt about the claimed brain-drain of New Zealanders to Australia, New Zealand president Robert Muldoon famously replied "when a New Zealander emigrates to Australia the average IQ in both countries goes up".

Heh

[MagicNMedicine]

They should just import more Pakistanis, Indians etc. Their parents make them study.

[PimpinisEasy]

I'll be honest after living in London and seeing the summer riots.... the future does not look bright (excuse the pun ha) for London.

[Snagprophet]

So does this mean other people will do checks to see if this is the truth or will they suddenly stop checking the IQ of immigrants to ensure 'equality'?

So either they're lying or the left will say they're lying or have no opportunities.

[HundredPoundCoin]

(Original post by Chi019)
There is an extremely close correlation between national IQ and prosperity. It's also closely correlated with any number of highly important things like productivity, criminality, civic-mindedness, welfare dependency, etc.'

One major factor is the immigration system. Anatoly Karlin has looked at PISA results from second generation immigrants in various countries. It's more useful to compare the 2nd generation with natives than the 1st generation because their educational environments will have been similar; the language issue will have vastly declined in importance etc.

To summarise:

(1) Australia (2nd generation migrants have +2 IQ points relative to natives) and Singapore (+1), two countries with immigration policies that boost national IQ.

(2) Canada’s (-2) system is mixed, with many immigrants of both high and low quality.

(3) UK’s (-2) is about the as Canada - very variable.

(4) 5) Spain (-5), Italy (-6), Norway (-7), Sweden (-9), the Netherlands (-9), France (-9), Germany (-10) and Belgium (-11) have progressively worse quality immigrants relative to the natives in their countries.

As Karlin notes:

It's probably because of the influx of non european immigrants from the third world. They genetically have lower IQ. The proportion of students in European countries that are non european is very large probably in the 30%s.

[Chi019]

(Original post by HundredPoundCoin)
It's probably because of the influx of non european immigrants from the third world. They genetically have lower IQ. The proportion of students in European countries that are non european is very large probably in the 30%s.

Well, it depends. Indian and Chinese tend to perform as well as or outperform the host populations. Jason Malloy has a summary of different groups here at Gene Expression.

[Blue Man]

(Original post by Carecup)
I would have thought as they go through the education system over time the difference would equalize/ become negligible.

I also feel that there are other factors at play here such as the tendency for 1st/2nd generation immigrants to be poor/working class hence less educational opportunities.

You do not have to pay foran education in Germany, so what are you talking about ?

[The Epicurean]

Lower quality immigrants would generally refer to those people from third world countries. Many third world countries experience problems whereby large proportions of their society experience some form of malnutrition. Malnutrition have negative effects upon someones IQ and also effect that of their childrens.


Many people from the third world also generally spend less time in education and are therefore educated to a lower standard. Children whose parents recieved are less eduated are less likely to succeed in education. These households generally have less books, their parents are less able to help them with their homework etc...

All of these factors I mentioned are down to environment. Children are known for copying their parents. Children from better educated households are more likely to have parents who read books and are more likely to have access to books. Reading books is important for the educational growth of children. Also children from better educated households are more likely to earn more, eat more healthy and go to better schools. It's a vicious cycle.

[jakemittle]

(Original post by Chi019)
There is an extremely close correlation between national IQ and prosperity. It's also closely correlated with any number of highly important things like productivity, criminality, civic-mindedness, welfare dependency, etc.'

One major factor is the immigration system. Anatoly Karlin has looked at PISA results from second generation immigrants in various countries. It's more useful to compare the 2nd generation with natives than the 1st generation because their educational environments will have been similar; the language issue will have vastly declined in importance etc.

To summarise:

(1) Australia (2nd generation migrants have +2 IQ points relative to natives) and Singapore (+1), two countries with immigration policies that boost national IQ.

(2) Canada’s (-2) system is mixed, with many immigrants of both high and low quality.

(3) UK’s (-2) is about the as Canada - very variable.

(4) 5) Spain (-5), Italy (-6), Norway (-7), Sweden (-9), the Netherlands (-9), France (-9), Germany (-10) and Belgium (-11) have progressively worse quality immigrants relative to the natives in their countries.

As Karlin notes:

Interesting, I wonder why the disparity is so high in Germany?
Also Belgium, considering that many foreigners work for int. organisations I would have thought there?

[Snagprophet]

I'm surprised why the Norwegians would have had this amount of immigration there if it meant an increase in lower IQ people, along with crime rates, when they were so resourceful with their North Sea oil.

(Original post by jakemittle)
Interesting, I wonder why the disparity is so high in Germany?

Probably because it's on the border of Eastern Europe.

[jakemittle]

(Original post by Snagprophet)
I'm surprised why the Norwegians would have had this amount of immigration there if it meant an increase in lower IQ people, along with crime rates, when they were so resourceful with their North Sea oil.



Probably because it's on the border of Eastern Europe.

What about Austria?
Also, Belgium is not on the Eastern border...

[Carecup]

(Original post by Blue Man)
You do not have to pay foran education in Germany, so what are you talking about ?

While I know replying to this is futile since you have 1000 warning points I'll do it anyway.

If you're rich you can afford to give your kid private tutors, all the books they need, get them into a private school etc. If you are poor you have to settle with whatever school you are within catchment of, which in poor neighborhoods are invariably under performing schools.

[Haica]

I think Western countries should limit immigration or at least have highly selected immigration of skilled workers that are in demand. No chain migration of relatives.

[Chi019]

(Original post by Haica)
I think Western countries should limit immigration or at least have highly selected immigration of skilled workers that are in demand. No chain migration of relatives.

A sensible idea. Jason Richwine wrote an article a couple of years ago suggesting this.

When Robert Putnam came to my class five years ago, he presented some surprising and provocative results. But even more surprising is that his findings, public for at least two years, have generated so little substantive discussion among policymakers. The challenge that ethnic diversity poses to 21st century communities is significant, and meeting that challenge requires robust public discussion and debate. That discussion should include not just how we deal with the diversity of our current population, but how we can ensure future diversity causes as little harm as possible. Selecting intelligent immigrants is the smart way to begin.