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C2 24th May 2012 REVISION THREAD

All of these I consider to be relatively difficult questions and some I got stuck on, please answer these questions and show working.

Thank you everyone!

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okay, q.6:

a) complete the square:
(x-3)^2 -9 + (y+2)^2 -4 =12
(x-3)^2 + (y+2)^2 =25
centre at (3,-2)
radius is root25 = 5 (+ve value because it's a length)

b) P at (-1,1) and Q at (7,-5)
midpoint PQ should be (3,-2) if a diameter
midpoint= (7-1/2, -5-1/2) = (3,-2)

c) I'm not really sure how you'd do this. There's a right-angled triangle between RPQ and you can draw the whole thing onto a set of axes but although R is (0,y), I'm not sure how you'd find the y coordinate
Reply 5
Original post by jameshewitt
All of these I consider to be relatively difficult questions and some I got stuck on, please answer these questions and show working.

Thank you everyone!


For the second question, the (ii):

4sinx=3tanx

For this question you have to know the trigonometric identity that tanx is equal to sinx/cosx. So we substitute tanx for sinx/cosx, which transforms the equation into:

4sinx = 3(sinx/cosx)

We then multiply both sides by cosx:

4sinx(cosx) = 3 sinx

There is sinx on both sides so we can cancel them out so the equation becomes:

4cosx = 3

Then we use our calculator to find the value of x so this becomes:

x = 41.4 (1 decimal place)

Then I think there are various ways to do this next step, but I use a CAST graph. I could draw it out if you want me to, but I'm assuming you know what this is/know what to do as this stage.

So the answer is 41.4 and 318.6 degrees.

If you have any queries, quote me.
Reply 6
Original post by jameshewitt
All of these I consider to be relatively difficult questions and some I got stuck on, please answer these questions and show working.

Thank you everyone!


For the third question, question 8 about logs:

Part a:

You have to know the log rule:

logan = x is the same as ax = n

So if we apply this rule to log2y = -3 then this becomes:

2-3=y

Work out 2-3 and we get the value for y and hence the answer to this question.

The value of y = 0.125


Part b:

Firstly, I would multiply both sides by log2x to get rid of that fraction so the equation becomes:

log232 + log216 = (log2x)2

For this question you will have to know the log multiplication rule: logax + logay = logaxy

So the equation becomes:

log2(32*16) = (log2x)2

Simplifying it:

log2(512) = (log2x)2

We then square root both sides. You can find the square root of log2(512) on your calculator, which equals 3 and -3 so the equation becomes:

3 = log2x and -3 = log2x

We can then apply the rule from part a: logan = x is the same as ax = n

So the equation then becomes:

23 = x and 2-3 = x

And the final answer:

x = 8 and x = 1/8


Note that you can check if your answers are correct by substituting your answer back into the equation.
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 7
Original post by MrJames16
For the third question, question 8 about logs:

Part a:

You have to know the log rule:

logan = x is the same as ax = n

So if we apply this rule to log2y = -3 then this becomes:

2-3=y

Work out 2-3 and we get the value for y and hence the answer to this question.

The value of y = 0.125


Part b:

Firstly, I would multiply both sides by log2x to get rid of that fraction so the equation becomes:

log232 + log216 = (log2x)2

For this question you will have to know the log multiplication rule: logax + logay = logaxy

So the equation becomes:

log2(32*16) = (log2x)2

Simplifying it:

log2(512) = (log2x)2

We then square root both sides. You can find the square root of log2(512) on your calculator, which equals 3 so the equation becomes:

3 = log2x

We can then apply the rule from part a: logan = x is the same as ax = n

So the equation then becomes:

23 = x

And the final answer:

x = 8


Note that you can check if your answers are correct by substituting your answer back into the equation.


There are two answers to the 2nd part, x=18 and x=8 x =\dfrac18 \ and \ x = 8

I will do it in this way,
log232+log216log2x=log2x \displaystyle \frac{log_2 32 + log_2 16}{log_2 x} = log_2 x

log232+log216=log225+log224=5log22+4log22=5+4=9 log_2 32 + log_2 16 = log_2 2^5 + log_2 2^4 = 5log_2 2 +4 log_22 = 5+4=9

log232+log216log2x=log2x    9log2x=log2x    9=(log2x)2    log2x=±9    log2x=±3 \displaystyle \frac{log_2 32 + log_2 16}{log_2 x} = log_2 x \implies \frac{9}{log_2 x} = log_2 x \implies 9 = (log_2 x)^2 \\ \implies log_2 x = \pm \sqrt9 \implies log_2 x = \pm 3

log2x=3 log_2 x =3 gives x=23=8 x = 2^3 = 8
log2x=3 log_2 x = -3 gives x=23=18 x = 2^{-3} = \dfrac18

So x=8 and 18 \displaystyle \boxed{ x = 8 \ and \ \frac18 }
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 8
Original post by raheem94
There are two answers to the 2nd part, x=18 and x=8 x =\dfrac18 \ and \ x = 8

I will do it in this way,
log232+log216log2x=log2x \displaystyle \frac{log_2 32 + log_2 16}{log_2 x} = log_2 x

log232+log216=log225+log224=5log22+4log22=5+4=9 log_2 32 + log_2 16 = log_2 2^5 + log_2 2^4 = 5log_2 2 +4 log_22 = 5+4=9

log232+log216log2x=log2x    9log2x=log2x    9=(log2x)2    log2x=±9    log2x=±3 \displaystyle \frac{log_2 32 + log_2 16}{log_2 x} = log_2 x \implies \frac{9}{log_2 x} = log_2 x \implies 9 = (log_2 x)^2 \\ \implies log_2 x = \pm \sqrt9 \implies log_2 x = \pm 3

log2x=3 log_2 x =3 gives x=23=8 x = 2^3 = 8
log2x=3 log_2 x = -3 gives x=23=18 x = 2^{-3} = \dfrac18

So x=8 and 18 \displaystyle \boxed{ x = 8 \ and \ \frac18 }



Damn, I always forget about the negative solution when square rooting lol. Thanks for that
Reply 9
Original post by jameshewitt
All of these I consider to be relatively difficult questions and some I got stuck on, please answer these questions and show working.

Thank you everyone!


Original post by ohtasha
okay, q.6:

a) complete the square:
(x-3)^2 -9 + (y+2)^2 -4 =12
(x-3)^2 + (y+2)^2 =25
centre at (3,-2)
radius is root25 = 5 (+ve value because it's a length)

b) P at (-1,1) and Q at (7,-5)
midpoint PQ should be (3,-2) if a diameter
midpoint= (7-1/2, -5-1/2) = (3,-2)

c) I'm not really sure how you'd do this. There's a right-angled triangle between RPQ and you can draw the whole thing onto a set of axes but although R is (0,y), I'm not sure how you'd find the y coordinate


For the last part, draw a diagram.

Here is the diagram:




PR2=(0+1)2+(y1)2=y22y+2RQ2=(70)2+(5y)2=y2+10y+74 |PR|^2 = (0+1)^2 + (y-1)^2 = y^2 -2y+2 \\ |RQ|^2 = (7-0)^2 + (-5-y)^2 = y^2 +10y +74

As it is a right angled triangle, so applying Pythagoras theorem gives, PQ2=PR2+RQ2102=y22y+2+y2+10y+74    y2+4y12=0    (y2)(y+6)=0    y=2 or6    y=2 |PQ|^2 = |PR|^2 + |RQ|^2 \\ 10^2 = y^2-2y+2 + y^2 +10y+74 \implies y^2+4y-12=0 \\ \implies (y-2)(y+6)=0 \implies y= 2 \ or -6 \implies \boxed{y=2}
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 10
Original post by MrJames16
For the second question, the (ii):

4sinx=3tanx

For this question you have to know the trigonometric identity that tanx is equal to sinx/cosx. So we substitute tanx for sinx/cosx, which transforms the equation into:

4sinx = 3(sinx/cosx)

We then multiply both sides by cosx:

4sinx(cosx) = 3 sinx

There is sinx on both sides so we can cancel them out so the equation becomes:

4cosx = 3

Then we use our calculator to find the value of x so this becomes:

x = 41.4 (1 decimal place)

Then I think there are various ways to do this next step, but I use a CAST graph. I could draw it out if you want me to, but I'm assuming you know what this is/know what to do as this stage.

So the answer is 41.4 and 318.6 degrees.

If you have any queries, quote me.


I didn't think to cancel sinx each side, thank you for your help!
Reply 11
Original post by MrJames16
For the third question, question 8 about logs:

Part a:

You have to know the log rule:

logan = x is the same as ax = n

So if we apply this rule to log2y = -3 then this becomes:

2-3=y

Work out 2-3 and we get the value for y and hence the answer to this question.

The value of y = 0.125


Part b:

Firstly, I would multiply both sides by log2x to get rid of that fraction so the equation becomes:

log232 + log216 = (log2x)2

For this question you will have to know the log multiplication rule: logax + logay = logaxy

So the equation becomes:

log2(32*16) = (log2x)2

Simplifying it:

log2(512) = (log2x)2

We then square root both sides. You can find the square root of log2(512) on your calculator, which equals 3 and -3 so the equation becomes:

3 = log2x and -3 = log2x

We can then apply the rule from part a: logan = x is the same as ax = n

So the equation then becomes:

23 = x and 2-3 = x

And the final answer:

x = 8 and x = 1/8


Note that you can check if your answers are correct by substituting your answer back into the equation.


didn't think +/-3 just assumed +3 hence i got 1 value of x. Thank you again sir!
Reply 12
Original post by raheem94
For the last part, draw a diagram.

Here is the diagram:




PR2=(0+1)2+(y1)2=y22y+2RQ2=(70)2+(5y)2=y2+10y+74 |PR|^2 = (0+1)^2 + (y-1)^2 = y^2 -2y+2 \\ |RQ|^2 = (7-0)^2 + (-5-y)^2 = y^2 +10y +74

As it is a right angled triangle, so applying Pythagoras theorem gives, PQ2=PR2+RQ2102=y22y+2+y2+10y+74    y2+4y12=0    (y2)(y+6)=0    y=2 or6    y=2 |PQ|^2 = |PR|^2 + |RQ|^2 \\ 10^2 = y^2-2y+2 + y^2 +10y+74 \implies y^2+4y-12=0 \\ \implies (y-2)(y+6)=0 \implies y= 2 \ or -6 \implies \boxed{y=2}


part (c) was the bit i couldn't do, "R is on the positive y axis" i thought this meant positive quadrant rather than literally on the axis but i understand now, thank you!
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Also Untitled.jpg please help
Reply 14
Original post by jameshewitt
Also Untitled.jpg please help


y=sin(axb) y =sin(ax-b)

We know the coordinates of P, Q and R.

Sub in P,
0=sin(πa10b)    πa10b=0    πa10=b(1) \displaystyle 0 = sin \left( \frac{\pi a }{10} - b \right) \implies \frac{\pi a }{10} - b = 0 \implies \frac{\pi a }{10} = b \longrightarrow (1)

Sub in Q,
0=sin(3πa5b)    3πa5b=π(2)\displaystyle 0 = sin \left( \frac{3 \pi a }{5} - b \right) \implies \frac{3 \pi a }{5} - b = \pi \longrightarrow (2)

Sub in R,
0=sin(11πa10b)    11πa10b=2π(3)\displaystyle 0 = sin \left( \frac{11 \pi a }{10} - b \right) \implies \frac{11 \pi a }{10} - b = 2 \pi \longrightarrow (3)

(3) - (2) gives,
a=2 a=2
Sub 'a=2' in (1), you will get, b=π5 b = \dfrac{\pi}5
Reply 15
Original post by raheem94
y=sin(axb) y =sin(ax-b)

We know the coordinates of P, Q and R.

Sub in P,
0=sin(πa10b)    πa10b=0    πa10=b(1) \displaystyle 0 = sin \left( \frac{\pi a }{10} - b \right) \implies \frac{\pi a }{10} - b = 0 \implies \frac{\pi a }{10} = b \longrightarrow (1)

Sub in Q,
0=sin(3πa5b)    3πa5b=π(2)\displaystyle 0 = sin \left( \frac{3 \pi a }{5} - b \right) \implies \frac{3 \pi a }{5} - b = \pi \longrightarrow (2)

Sub in R,
0=sin(11πa10b)    11πa10b=2π(3)\displaystyle 0 = sin \left( \frac{11 \pi a }{10} - b \right) \implies \frac{11 \pi a }{10} - b = 2 \pi \longrightarrow (3)

(3) - (2) gives,
a=2 a=2
Sub 'a=2' in (1), you will get, b=π5 b = \dfrac{\pi}5


All makes sense now! Thank you, hopefully i'll remember to apply this on Thursday
Reply 16
Original post by jameshewitt
All makes sense now! Thank you, hopefully i'll remember to apply this on Thursday


Good luck for the exam :smile:
Reply 17
Original post by MrJames16
For the second question, the (ii):

4sinx=3tanx

For this question you have to know the trigonometric identity that tanx is equal to sinx/cosx. So we substitute tanx for sinx/cosx, which transforms the equation into:

4sinx = 3(sinx/cosx)

We then multiply both sides by cosx:

4sinx(cosx) = 3 sinx

There is sinx on both sides so we can cancel them out so the equation becomes:

4cosx = 3

Then we use our calculator to find the value of x so this becomes:

x = 41.4 (1 decimal place)

Then I think there are various ways to do this next step, but I use a CAST graph. I could draw it out if you want me to, but I'm assuming you know what this is/know what to do as this stage.

So the answer is 41.4 and 318.6 degrees.

If you have any queries, quote me.


Hey, this is how I've done it and now seeing your method I'm not sure if mine is right. Can you check mine?

4sin(x) = 3tan(x) which is the same as:

4sin(x) = 3sin(x) / cos(x)
Multiply by cos(x) which gives: 4sin(x)cos(x) = 3sin(x)
Subtract the 3sin(x), this gives: 4sin(x)cos(x) - 3sin(x) = 0

Simplify by collecting the sin's together: sin(x)(4cos(x)-3) = 0

Now use CAST or the graph method to work it out so..

Sin(x) = 0 is 0 so the answers for this are 0 degrees and 180 degrees (its also 360, -360 and -180 but these are outside the range they ask for).

Then solve this part of the equation: 4cos(x)-3 = 0

Cos(x) = 3/4 is 41.4 degrees and the answers that fit the range are 41.4 and 318.6.

So all my answers are: 0, 41.4, 180 and 318.6.

I understand why you divided the sin(x) as that's what I used to do until I looked at my revision book. So does anyone know which is correct?
(edited 11 years ago)
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Original post by Bantersaurus Rexx
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