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  1. Taylor_R's Avatar
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    De Moivres Question PleasE!!!
    z^2 - z +2 - (1/z) + (1/(z^2)) = 4 cos ^2 theta -2cos theta

    hence solve the quartic equation

    z^4 - z^3 +2(z^2) - z + 1 = 0

    please help
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    Re: De Moivres Question PleasE!!!
    can you solve the top equation in terms of cos theta? how does z relate to theta?

    Notice how the two equations in z are related, can you make a nice factorisation?
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    Re: De Moivres Question PleasE!!!
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    can you solve the top equation in terms of cos theta? how does z relate to theta?

    Notice how the two equations in z are related, can you make a nice factorisation?
    I get stuck at  z^2(4\cos^2 \theta - 2\cos \theta) = 0 I know that I can get thetha to be pi/2 or pi/3 but how do I proceed form there to get four values of z ?
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    you haven't solved for theta exhaustively if you want to consider this in polar co-ordinates with r>0

    you should start slow
    can zero be a solution? no
    so you can express z as re^itheta r>0 zero in [0,2pi)
    z=/=0 so has inverse
    therefore

    z^4 - z^3 +2(z^2) - z + 1 = 0 iff z^2 - z +2 - (1/z) + (1/(z^2)) =0

    now in polar co-ordinates you know possible values of theta, can you figure out the values of r? (I honestly can't tell you how to do this atm) Maybe someone else will.
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    Re: De Moivres Question PleasE!!!
    (Original post by member910132)
    I get stuck at  z^2(4\cos^2 \theta - 2\cos \theta) = 0 I know that I can get thetha to be pi/2 or pi/3 but how do I proceed form there to get four values of z ?

    Alternatively,

    z^4+2z^2+1 - z^3-z=0

    (z^2+1)^2-z(z^2+1)=0

    Factorise a little more and you're done.

    Using the original approach you need to use the fact that z+\frac{1}{z}=2\cos\theta \Rightarrow |z|=1 so that z=\cos\theta + i \sin \theta
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    Re: De Moivres Question PleasE!!!
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    Alternatively,

    z^4+2z^2+1 - z^3-z=0

    (z^2+1)^2-z(z^2+1)=0

    Factorise a little more and you're done.

    Using the original approach you need to use the fact that z+\frac{1}{z}=2\cos\theta \Rightarrow |z|=1 so that z=\cos\theta + i \sin \theta
    Using the second approach after geting  2\cos 2\theta - 2\cos \theta + 2 = 4\cos^2 \theta - 2\cos \theta

    what do we do ? Solve for theta and what ?

    Edit: I think I got it now, after getting theta = pi/2 and pi/3 we just use z + z^{-1} = 2\cos \theta to get the values of z right ?

    My answers are z = \pm i , -2 and 1
    Last edited by member910132; 28-05-2012 at 15:13.
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    Re: De Moivres Question PleasE!!!
    (Original post by jj193)
    you haven't solved for theta exhaustively if you want to consider this in polar co-ordinates with r>0

    you should start slow
    can zero be a solution? no
    so you can express z as re^itheta r>0 zero in [0,2pi)
    z=/=0 so has inverse
    therefore

    z^4 - z^3 +2(z^2) - z + 1 = 0 iff z^2 - z +2 - (1/z) + (1/(z^2)) =0

    now in polar co-ordinates you know possible values of theta, can you figure out the values of r? (I honestly can't tell you how to do this atm) Maybe someone else will.
    Sorry I don't understand this in the slightest way at all
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    Re: De Moivres Question PleasE!!!
    (Original post by Taylor_R)
    z^2 - z +2 - (1/z) + (1/(z^2)) = 4 cos ^2 theta -2cos theta

    hence solve the quartic equation

    z^4 - z^3 +2(z^2) - z + 1 = 0

    please help
    What year is this from AQA right ?
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    Re: De Moivres Question PleasE!!!
    (Original post by member910132)
    My answers are z = \pm i , -2 and 1
    You don't need to ask if you have the correct values. Sub in 1 for example and you get 1-1+2-1+1=2.
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