They just released the trailer for Skyfall. It looks amazing! [video="youtube;vgr2syY_OU4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vgr2syY_OU4[/video]
Well, hope that it comes out in the Netherlands pretty soon after as I want to go and see that!
It hasn't aged well because close to every film made nowadays has been inspired by it.
Oh yeah, of course, but it doesn't get me like it used to either. I've seen it 3 or 4 times and I thought it got a little worse with each viewing. I'm by no means knocking it. As I say, I really like it, but I think the pedestal it's put on by film critics is a little ridiculous at times.
Seems to be a huge art-film bias here (which is to be expected from a poll of critics, professors and whatnot, I guess), which I find irritating. I mean there's value in those films, but there's also value in films that are just...fun, and this list seems to singularly miss that point. I mean, I'd have Raiders of the Lost Ark (or any number of other Spielberg films) over La Jetee, which is, you know, a wonderful film, a stylistic triumph and a haunting affirmation of the inevitability of fate, but singularly lacks a man in a sweet hat outrunning a massive rock.
Such a sophisticated attitude to have towards art! When can I sign your petition to have the Rijksmuseum take down Rembrandt's Night Watch and instead display the comic strips from the morning newspaper?
Such a sophisticated attitude to have towards art! When can I sign your petition to have the Rijksmuseum take down Rembrandt's Night Watch and instead display the comic strips from the morning newspaper?
I'm not saying art films shouldn't be represented. I'd make the opposite argument against the Channel 4 List, the IMDB top 250, or anything or anyone that claims Shawshank Redemption deserves to be anywhere near a discussion of the greatest films ever. What I am saying is that mainstream directors and cinema are woefully underrepresented beyond the obligatory (and critically safe) Godfathers, Wilder films, 2001 etc. No David Lean, no Spielberg, no Sidney Lumet, no John Huston, no Peckinpah. I find that outrageous.
Again, this isn't surprising, given who was polled, and it might sound like bitching that my pet directors weren't included, but I don't think it's especially controversial to claim that a poll that for the most part excludes post-70s and popular cinema may not be an accurate way to measure all that is best about the movies. Nor do I think it's wrong to claim that Raiders is more fun than La Jetee, which is, again, great, but actively sets out to be solipsistic and despair-inducing on a list already replete with solipsistic, despairing films.
What I am saying is that mainstream directors and cinema are woefully underrepresented beyond the obligatory (and critically safe) Godfathers, Wilder films, 2001 etc. No David Lean, no Spielberg, no Sidney Lumet, no John Huston, no Peckinpah. I find that outrageous.
I find it outrageous that you can struggle this much to understand even the basic premise of the poll. Of course 'critically safe' films are going to place - the entire point of this list is to survey widely held critical taste. I also fail to see how most of the top ten are less 'mainstream' or more obscure than the 'obligatory' films you mention...or don't Fellini, Renoir, Ozu, and Dreyer count because an irrational fear of subtitles makes the mouth-breathing IMDb crowd hold off on them longer than Wilder?
I don't think it's especially controversial to claim that a poll that for the most part excludes post-70s and popular cinema may not be an accurate way to measure all that is best about the movies.
It may not seem immediately controversial, but on inspection it seems ridiculous. You're basically saying that age and audience size are acceptable criteria by which to judge a work of art.
Nor do I think it's wrong to claim that Raiders is more fun than La Jetee, which is, again, great, but actively sets out to be solipsistic and despair-inducing on a list already replete with solipsistic, despairing films.
Not wrong, but deeply philistine to accept 'fun' as a serious criteria by which to judge art. Sadly it seems to be a prejudice only held against cinema, and I doubt people would be so keen to make the same critique of a list of great paintings topped by Valezquez and Caravaggio, or great music topped by Beethoven and Wagner. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Maybe you are an equal-opportunities philistine? Maybe Wren should have put some of those crazy distorted mirrors over the facade of St Paul's Cathedral to make it more 'fun'?
Hilarious that you cite solipsism as an unattractive quality in a work of art when everything you've said on this topic suggests you don't believe that works in a language different to your own native tongue are worthy of commendation. The absurd description of 'solipsistic and despair-inducing' also beautifully demonstrates your lack of familiarity with (or downright ignorance of) much of the list you're trying to attack. Thanks!
Not related to the above - just out of interest, do you agree with the list/what would be your top 10 or whatever? I seem to remember you saying in a different thread that Josef von Sternberg was your favourite director.
Not related to the above - just out of interest, do you agree with the list/what would be your top 10 or whatever? I seem to remember you saying in a different thread that Josef von Sternberg was your favourite director.
I think the list is very good, and even those titles I don't particularly care for (JOAN OF ARC, 2001 etc.) at least clearly have a great degree of artistic merit. It doesn't conform to my list of favourites (although SUNRISE would certainly be there), nor does it conform to my preferences for certain directors (I prefer SPELLBOUND and REAR WINDOW from Hitchcock, TONI and PARTIE DE CAMPAGNE from Renoir, etc.), but I wouldn't really expect it to. As it stands, it's probably the best short introduction to film a newcomer could hope to find.
And yes, Sternberg is my favourite (and his THE DEVIL IS A WOMAN is my favourite film of all time), but he isn't totally ignored here. Just from what they published I glanced one vote for THE SCARLET EMPRESS, and I'm sure some of his other work will have seen some love once they publish all of the lists online. He's an acquired taste and he's only just starting to undergo the critical resurgence he properly deserves. Maybe next time!
If I were to submit a list, it might look something like this:
THE DEVIL IS A WOMAN (Sternberg) SUNRISE (Murnau) IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE (Wong) L'AVVENTURA (Antonioni) BLACK NARCISSUS (Powell & Pressburger) SPELLBOUND (Hitchcock) SUMMER INTERLUDE (Bergman) ALL THAT HEAVEN ALLOWS (Sirk) THE TREE OF LIFE (Malick) WILL SUCCESS SPOIL ROCK HUNTER? (Tashlin)
But the films I have on my mind change by the day. Only those I've bolded seem to be there always.
I think the list is very good, and even those titles I don't particularly care for (JOAN OF ARC, 2001 etc.) at least clearly have a great degree of artistic merit. It doesn't conform to my list of favourites (although SUNRISE would certainly be there), nor does it conform to my preferences for certain directors (I prefer SPELLBOUND and REAR WINDOW from Hitchcock, TONI and PARTIE DE CAMPAGNE from Renoir, etc.), but I wouldn't really expect it to. As it stands, it's probably the best short introduction to film a newcomer could hope to find.
And yes, Sternberg is my favourite (and his THE DEVIL IS A WOMAN is my favourite film of all time), but he isn't totally ignored here. Just from what they published I glanced one vote for THE SCARLET EMPRESS, and I'm sure some of his other work will have seen some love once they publish all of the lists online. He's an acquired taste and he's only just starting to undergo the critical resurgence he properly deserves. Maybe next time!
If I were to submit a list, it might look something like this:
THE DEVIL IS A WOMAN (Sternberg) SUNRISE (Murnau) IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE (Wong) L'AVVENTURA (Antonioni) BLACK NARCISSUS (Powell & Pressburger) SPELLBOUND (Hitchcock) SUMMER INTERLUDE (Bergman) ALL THAT HEAVEN ALLOWS (Sirk) THE TREE OF LIFE (Malick) WILL SUCCESS SPOIL ROCK HUNTER? (Tashlin)
But the films I have on my mind change by the day. Only those I've bolded seem to be there always.
Ah, thanks. I hadn't heard of Sternberg before you mentioned him, I think, and am still yet to watch anything by him. I notice that Criterion have released those of his silents that are not lost in one pack (Underworld, Last Command and Docks of New York) - would you say this is a good place to approach his material?
Also, interesting to see The Tree of Life up there so soon.
Ah, thanks. I hadn't heard of Sternberg before you mentioned him, I think, and am still yet to watch anything by him. I notice that Criterion have released those of his silents that are not lost in one pack (Underworld, Last Command and Docks of New York) - would you say this is a good place to approach his material?
Also, interesting to see The Tree of Life up there so soon.
I'm not as well informed about his silent work as I am about his sound work, and my knowledge is patchy anyway just due to the availability of some of the films. Of his silents, I've seen THE SALVATION HUNTERS (which isn't lost, but is only available in a poor VHS) and DOCKS OF NEW YORK, both of which (and the latter in particular) are great examples of silent film at their best. That Criterion set is certainly top of my list of things to buy once I go region-free! He's best known for his seven films with Marlene Dietrich though, and that contains the best of his work. The three to see from that cycle, in terms of those most widely regarded, are THE BLUE ANGEL, SHANGHAI EXPRESS, and THE SCARLET EMPRESS, the latter two of which are available in good, cheap editions from Universal.
And yes, I loved TREE OF LIFE. Saw it twice in the cinema. Malick's most soulful and transcendent film - a religious experience of a film, and I say this as a staunch atheist.
Also, I have just completed the first series of the original Danish version of The Killing. Have never been more emotionally exhausted by a television show in my life.
They said to reach the widest possible audience that they can considering stuff like the Hobbit, Les Miserables, Django Unchained and Jack Reacher come out at around the same time.
Re-watched From Hell yesterday, dunno how I never realised that the main actress was Heather Graham
Does anyone know any films similar to the likes of From Hell, Sleepy Hollow, The Raven?
Also watched My Bloody Valentine a few days back, always been a fan of slasher films. It wasn't that bad but the ending was obvious to me from the first 20 minutes, which was annoying.