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There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicohttp://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/0...ring-last.html
Holy crap. mexico is a war zone, america needs to seriously consider its priorities right now. They should focus on the monsters operating south of their border and operating freely in their country!
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/0...el-diablo.html
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/0...-zetas-on.html
http://www.mund0narco.com/2012/07/ma...ian-slp-5.html (family of five massacred)
Dont go to mexico......
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A mexican psychopath (warning, graphic and disturbing article)
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoMore people have been killed as a result of drug prohibition than the drugs themselves would ever have killed if they werent banned.
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicomost of the violence is in the northern borderlands. Plus most killings are drug related, certainly there are lots of innocents getting killed, but mist will be drug dealers etc. As long as you aren't in the drug game or a politician/police/army and living in the north you are fine
Absolutely no way in hell the USA will allow a country such as Mexico to legalize hard drugs such as cocaine.(Original post by Greenlaner)
More people have been killed as a result of drug prohibition than the drugs themselves would ever have killed if they werent banned.
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoIs that a lot? That's like 13,000 per year. In a country of 110 Million, I'd say that's a pretty good gamble to take. Pretty sure more deaths by car than this. It isn't a war zone. And the US already operate in Mexico and provide help with them. Also, most illegal Mexicans have nothing to do with cartel and are merely people trying to live a better life for themselves and family.
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoThe USA has no solid bearing over the laws of Mexico. The only political power they hold there is foreign relations only.(Original post by bestofyou)
most of the violence is in the northern borderlands. Plus most killings are drug related, certainly there are lots of innocents getting killed, but mist will be drug dealers etc. As long as you aren't in the drug game or a politician/police/army and living in the north you are fine
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoJust from quick researching, according to the FBI, in 2008, there were 14,000 murdered in the USA. That's a country 3 times the population size.(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
Is that a lot? That's like 13,000 per year. In a country of 110 Million, I'd say that's a pretty good gamble to take. Pretty sure more deaths by car than this. It isn't a war zone. And the US already operate in Mexico and provide help with them. Also, most illegal Mexicans have nothing to do with cartel and are merely people trying to live a better life for themselves and family.
Also consider that the first report linked says that the 83,000 figure is probably an underestimate:
I think it's somewhat of a problem. Remember, these are murders, not just general deaths. But I agree the OP is exaggerating with 'war zone'.In addition, the statistic of 83,541 murders is lower than the actual total numbers because authorities from four federal entities (states) refused to provide information on their homicides. -
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoYou would end up with something like we currently have in Cuba except on a large scale, not something Mexico would want, so yes they have no bearing over the laws, however that isn't to say they have no influence in regards to the legalizing of hard drugs(Original post by kitari)
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoyes but not always for the better(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
Is that a lot? That's like 13,000 per year. In a country of 110 Million, I'd say that's a pretty good gamble to take. Pretty sure more deaths by car than this. It isn't a war zone. And the US already operate in Mexico and provide help with them. Also, most illegal Mexicans have nothing to do with cartel and are merely people trying to live a better life for themselves and family.
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoEven if you double it, it's still pretty low in comparison to population size. Sure high in comparison to the United States but our murder figures is around 700 (600 but whatevs), times by 5 (to reach US population size) and it's around 3500. The US is doing worse in comparison to us than Mexico is doing to the US. Now, I can get a country with even lower figures than us to show we're doing worse in comparison to the US than the US is doing to us. That's the problem with comparisons, easy to manipulate to make a point.(Original post by Xotol)
Just from quick researching, according to the FBI, in 2008, there were 14,000 murdered in the USA. That's a country 3 times the population size.
Also consider that the first report linked says that the 83,000 figure is probably an underestimate:
I think it's somewhat of a problem. Remember, these are murders, not just general deaths. But I agree the OP is exaggerating with 'war zone'.Last edited by Annoying-Mouse; 06-08-2012 at 17:17. -
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoMexico are already taking steps to do it, by decriminalising possession of small amounts of drugs both soft and hard in 2009. Personally, I think it's a step in the right direction. The Drug Cartels are not going away and are currently just thriving off the illegality of drugs, something needs to change and banging on about the 'war on drugs' sure isn't helping.(Original post by bestofyou)
You would end up with something like we currently have in Cuba except on a large scale, not something Mexico would want, so yes they have no bearing over the laws, however that isn't to say they have no influence in regards to the legalizing of hard drugs
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoIt was a **** up, **** ups happen. http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.co...uth/?hpt=hp_t2(Original post by cl_steele)
yes but not always for the better
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoWould the international community tolerate another Cuba though? I don't know if they would - Mexico is too well connected with the rest of the world.(Original post by bestofyou)
You would end up with something like we currently have in Cuba except on a large scale, not something Mexico would want, so yes they have no bearing over the laws, however that isn't to say they have no influence in regards to the legalizing of hard drugs
What a moronic interpretation (whatever your view on the legalisation of drugs or not).(Original post by Greenlaner)
More people have been killed as a result of drug prohibition than the drugs themselves would ever have killed if they werent banned.
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoMind summerising the article, im very tired and its very long?(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
It was a **** up, **** ups happen. http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.co...uth/?hpt=hp_t2
mmm debateable, a **** up would be, say accidently shooting someone with no probable cause not letting 2500 hundred odd anti material rifles/assault rifles/machine guns etc. loose ... I dont blame the ATF as such more the US government as a whole but you cant say meddling like that is excuseable? I mean to say such an operation was incredibly risky is a gross understatement... -
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoPoint taken, but there have been studies done to compare homicide rates around the world:(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
Even if you double it, it's still pretty low in comparison to population size. Sure high in comparison to the United States but our murder figures is around 700 (600 but whatevs), times by 5 (to reach US population size) and it's around 3500. The US is doing worse in comparison to us than Mexico is doing to the US. Now, I can get a country with even lower figures than us to show we're doing worse in comparison to the US than the US is doing to us. That's the problem with comparisons, easy to manipulate to make a point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._note-icesi-28
And, homicide rates in Mexico do seem to be on the rise after a period of stability (and even a period where it declined).Last edited by Xotol; 06-08-2012 at 17:27. -
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Mexico and and other south american countries are considering drug legalisation.(Original post by bestofyou)
most of the violence is in the northern borderlands. Plus most killings are drug related, certainly there are lots of innocents getting killed, but mist will be drug dealers etc. As long as you aren't in the drug game or a politician/police/army and living in the north you are fine
Absolutely no way in hell the USA will allow a country such as Mexico to legalize hard drugs such as cocaine. -
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The only way to stop these monsters is drug legalisation, deprive them of their main source of income, and no, sending in the army to kill them wont do anything, thats because they already tried that and it has made things much worse.
Theres a video online of drug cartel members torturing soldiers.Last edited by ESPORTIVA; 06-08-2012 at 18:28. -
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Re: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years in mexicoWeak gun laws in Arizona. Cartel manipulate weak gun laws by making young Americans buy guns for them. Agents make a list of those who purchase guns. Attorney says you can't prosecute. One of the suspects on that list's gun turned up at a killing of a agent. Another agent claims that supervisors allowed guns to get into Mexico for the agency to track them. Official says agents had legal grounds to arrest them. 5 agents who were involved say they took weapons whenever they felt they could and didn't allow guns to merely flow through mexico rather due to said weak laws, they didn't have as much power to arrest all of them thus decided that they should track them considering they couldn't do much about them (corroborating evidence presented). Group (of agents) has problems and isn't very cohesive, would argue over trivial things e.g. one agent was asked to turn off computer sound but replied " have done some limited research and have found no ATF order or internal division memo addressing this issue". The agent who made the initial claim of gun walking did actually allow guns to walk himself. Witch hunt begins after agent goes to the newspaper which you linked earlier (CBS) and makes dubious claims. Politicians get involved. And case continues.(Original post by cl_steele)
Mind summerising the article, im very tired and its very long?
mmm debateable, a **** up would be, say accidently shooting someone with no probable cause not letting 2500 hundred odd anti material rifles/assault rifles/machine guns etc. loose ... I dont blame the ATF as such more the US government as a whole but you cant say meddling like that is excuseable? I mean to say such an operation was incredibly risky is a gross understatement...
Fair enough.(Original post by Xotol)
Point taken, but there have been studies done to compare homicide rates around the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._note-icesi-28
And, homicide rates in Mexico do seem to be on the rise after a period of stability (and even a period where it declined).Last edited by Annoying-Mouse; 06-08-2012 at 18:03. -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War
It kinda is a war/civil war, its the government vs the cartels.
Maybe more people have died by car. But thats an entirely unrelated point.
Yeah mexicans have nothing to worry about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Fernando_massacre
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/0...alive.html?m=0 (Warning extremely graphic)
Alot of innocent people are being killed and shown off as rival drug cartel members (when they have no connection what so ever)
The 83,000 dead are from the drug war alone, this is NOT normal.
My point is that these drug cartels are operating freely in the United states and pose more of a threat than al qaeda (who are like the teletubbies compared to these guys).
For example they kidnap american citizens (specifically in arizona), if the family cant pay up then they are burned in barrels or melted in acid, including children (rumour)
The links here arent even the worst around, somethings (i.e. the infamous los zetas chainsaw video) are too horrifying to even write about.
