Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing?

Honestly, are you serious? How are they thieving robbers? How do you think?
I am sorry, but that is a really silly question to ask.
Thatcher stole the money from the oil and gas to close industries in Scotland.
It is spent, spent and spent some more, but do we have anything to show for the money they spent? Eh, not really. I would vote to stay in the Union if they did not fritter the money.

Nazis,crazy,unstable.It seems you don't want to do anything for your nation.A common position but don't claim at the same time you care about your nation.At least people with this opinion admit they really don't care about their nation

Not just in Scotland! Across the whole of the UK! That woman should have been done for treason.

Which woman? Thatcher? If you're talking about Thatcher you may be interested to discover that more Scots voted for her than Salmond.

Excellent, classic post. Love it.
Will you jump on my bandwagon? I need another pro-independence member.

Interesting article on the future of the Scottish currency, in the event of independence:
http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/5230-currency-wars

I've just learned that Scottish exports to the UK are about £36 billion, while those to the rest of the EU are £9.2 billion and those to the rest of the world are £10.3 billion.

This would be an economy rather heavily dependent on a single foreign market, wouldn't it? The UK market would be worth almost two-thirds of all its foreign exports. That demonstrates rather a high level of economic integration with and dependence on the UK.

http://www.policyforumscotland.com/include/publications/Whitecurrency08.pdf

Canada exports more to the USA than Scotland does to the UK. Scotlands high level of export dependence on the UK which is about 70% of Scotland exports also parallels Canada which sends 80% of its exports to the US. The USA's population is also 10 times larger than Canada. Like Scotland and the UK.Why doesn't Canada feel the need to form a political union with the USA and send all its taxes and resources to the US government to increase its strength and have more influence in the world stage?

Did they really? It was Margaret Thatcher who destroyed the Tory Government in Scotland.

Canada exports more to the USA than Scotland does to the UK. Scotlands high level of export dependence on the UK which is about 70% of Scotland exports also parallels Canada which sends 80% of its exports to the US. The USA's population is also 10 times larger than Canada. Like Scotland and the UK.Why doesn't Canada feel the need to form a political union with the USA and send all its taxes and resources to the US government to increase its strength and have more influence in the world stage?

More people voted against them than for them. They got 45.5% of the constituency vote ( 54.5% voted against them) and 44% of the list vote ( 56% voted non SNP)

In the 2011 Scottish election, the SNP got 8.8% more seats in parliament than their share of the vote.

In the 2010 UK election, in Scotland, Labour got 25.7% more seats in parliament than their share of the vote.


If we were using the Westminster 'first past the post' system in Scotland, the SNP's 46% share of the constituency vote would have given it 73% of the seats in parliament.


http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-home-of-democracy/

(This is a pro Independence website biased towards independence - but it does not publish lies. If you find any lie in the article quoted, point it out.)


In the UK Westminster parliament, which is elected solely on the constituency vote, the Tories got 35% of the constituency vote (65% voted against them).

Don't mention the Liberal Democrats, their MPs got elected on false pretences like no tuition fees and a referendum on Proportional Representation, NOT the AV referendum we got which Clegg himself described as a "miserable little compromise."

What we have is effectively a Tory government with 35% of the vote.



Tell us MatureStudent36, is the Westminster parliament, whose rule over Scotland you support, more representative than the Scottish parliament?


I personally would prefer a system where 46% of the vote gave exactly 46% of the seats in parliament.

But to me, a 46% SNP government is much more representative than a 35% Tory government.

A lot of the information in your post is not relevant in this thread.
Post a request in the 'ask a moderator' forum, and they will point you to the right thread for your debate.

I would like to remind everyone that this thread is about independence for Scotland, and if it is a good or a bad thing for Scotland; it is not about the amount of votes gained by the SNP in the last election.

I do care about Scotland. That's why I don't want it to go down the path of self destruction the SNP are advocating. You may want to read Good blokes earlier post highlighting the many flaws in your argument.

Interesting article on the future of the Scottish currency, in the event of independence:
http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/5230-currency-wars

The Telegraph is an anti-Independence newspaper biased against independence.


Are you saying that ALL Labour party members and voters are against independence, I mean separation?

Readers can decide for themselves if the following 'Labour for Independence' members are SNP front people:

Kevin Mulholland, LFI member and Labour Party member

Deborah Waters, LFI member and Labour Party member

Scott Abel, LFI member and Labour Party member

Celia Fitzgerald, LFI Treasurer and Labour Party member

Paul Patterson, LFI member and Labour Party member

Paul Leinster, LFI member and Labour Party member


http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-dangerously-radical-idea/

(This is a pro Independence website biased towards independence - but it does not publish lies. If you find any lie in the article quoted, point it out.)

I don't doubt for one minute that there are some labour supporters that will vote yes, as there will be some conservatives and lib dems. But when a party that hit 50% of the seats in the Scottish election can only muster 30 to 35% support for its core aim. The question is why are so many SNP supporters not supporting the YeSNP campaign.