Original post by Kattt_452
Not true. Perhaps you aren't a 'scaremongerer' - but I do think that many people in England are too far removed from the situation to understand and see what is really going on up here. I would say that lots of people are scaremongerers - I certainly wouldn't say all are. I don't think any politician has ever produced a perfected vision that they followed through on on all accounts. But the SNP have made some promises that they have followed through on so far, and that inspires some confidence.
You in turn are displaying a great deal of ignorance at the economic state of anywhere not in the Home Counties. Walk around Coventry and you will find the streets aren't quite paved with gold-England suffers from the London centric model as much as the next place. The SNP has openly lied to the Scottish public and evaded any serious criticism in the media for it-if David Cameron were making such fictitious claims as they have he would be strung up for it.
A strong criticism of Westminister government does not translate to anglophobia. Please don't make that mistake.
Sorry, but 'we're sick of being controlled by London' reads as 'we're sick of being controlled by the English' to me. Talk of oppression strengthens that.
Just because? Just? Are you telling me it's okay to brutally murder innocent people and then think it's okay to be 'fickle' when desiring to be set apart from such an inhumane action? It it far from fickle. Peoples lives are far more important than some of the more shallow concerns people have, like "oh no, will we still have a Team GB?!" like was in the BBC News today.
Every government makes ill advised decisions-even the Norwegian one which is held up as some model of a utopian society by the SNP, and which entered its forces into the 'illegal' conflicts you talk of. A Scottish Government will get things wrong as well and to pretend to the contrary is idealistic twaddle.
Do you know what else is absurd? Slapping a one-size-fits-all label on Scots by saying the entire SNP campaign is about anglophobia. We are thousands of people with different desires for what we would like to see in an independent country. I'm not saying you have champagne glasses. But I am suggesting that you perhaps haven't experienced/empathised with a level of inequality that would allow you to understand why true change becomes imperative.
I slap on that label because it rears its head in any argument or debate I see featuring somebody from the Yes campaign. Even in the independence white paper Alex Salmond proposes to break EU law to charge English students for higher education-things like that are difficult to explain through anything other than bigotry. You insinuate that because I am English I have had a more comfortable lifestyle so don't know what it's like to have things hard-that is an assumption with zero foundation.
Um, well the English screwed us over repeatedly in the past - it isn't a lie made up by Yes campaigners. King Henry VII and several others used to tell Scotland 'Do this or what we'll show you want happens when you don't agree with us". The last thing a referendum would produce is having "everything the same" - you are right in saying there are a few similarities and I think Salmond has put those forward (like keeping the Monarch for example) so he doesn't scare everyone at once.
There we go-talking about wars from hundreds of years ago as justification for a present day argument. I take it you will ignore invasions made in the other direction? How about Scotland's significant contributions to, and benefits from, the expansion of the British Empire? If Scotland wants independence it should be absolute and total-otherwise it is not true independence.
I'm not quite sure I understand why you'd feel like a foreigner? I heard Alistair Carmichael saying something to that effect the other day "If Scotland becomes a foreign country, we'll treat it like one." Honestly, what the...
Because officially I would be.
Look, Midlander, when it comes down to it Westminister is a mess, a mess that is adversely affecting both Scotland and England. We want the chance to break free and for me at least, that is not rooted in any kind of dislike of English people or annoyances about the past. I am very much interested in the present and future; I just wish some people could be more open-minded about the reasons why we have felt the need to take this step.