UK the most class ridden nation in the world?
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Original post by WinstonO'Brien
India, South Africa, pretty much every developing county has a much more defined class structure. It means that the lower classes in those countries to not enjoy basic human rights, whereas in the UK class has little impact on the education/ healthcare you receive.
have you not heard of Eton/expensive private schools? eroding of the NHS?
We hardly live in a utopia in the UK. Plus the UK stole most of its wealth from abroad now that is drying up the poorest people in the UK are not having their basic needs met and we are being driven towards poverty. Whilst the likes of China are rising.
Original post by Mr_Sinister
I never really thought about class until I started living with middle-class people...UK is horrible for it and getting rid of the royal family would help.
It actually seems like it is getting worse...Kate Middleton is very popular and shows like benefit street are demonising the underclass.
It actually seems like it is getting worse...Kate Middleton is very popular and shows like benefit street are demonising the underclass.
I agree with this
Original post by ETRC
Nope, this is what everyone is truly ignorant to see.
England are in massive debt and the only thing keeping us up is the interest rates. If the monarchy goes, massive tourism money will go away which will change the interest rats cos banks love to adapt financially.
Even a small change will completely destroy England.
England are in massive debt and the only thing keeping us up is the interest rates. If the monarchy goes, massive tourism money will go away which will change the interest rats cos banks love to adapt financially.
Even a small change will completely destroy England.
The old tourism myth ay
I agree with your post. It's is disgusting. The class issue is more prevalent than ever - especially under this Tory-led government - but most people are blinded by the lies, discrimination and deception of the media that aim to demonise groups of people in order to make financial gains (in particular the working-class) e.g the Daily Mail, Jeremy Kyle Show, Shameless, Benefits Street etc.
Original post by Bill_Gates
have you not heard of Eton/expensive private schools? eroding of the NHS?
We hardly live in a utopia in the UK. Plus the UK stole most of its wealth from abroad now that is drying up the poorest people in the UK are not having their basic needs met and we are being driven towards poverty. Whilst the likes of China are rising.
We hardly live in a utopia in the UK. Plus the UK stole most of its wealth from abroad now that is drying up the poorest people in the UK are not having their basic needs met and we are being driven towards poverty. Whilst the likes of China are rising.
The "eroding" of the NHS? If I'm correct, the principles of the hippocratic oath are still being met. With regard to private schools, I am state educated, yet I am going to study medicine at a top university. Everyone here has the gift of opportunity, whilst the same cannot be said for those in other countries
Very clear that most of the people on this thread have a) barely travelled outside the first world and experienced different cultures and are b) bitter about their lack of wealth and status in society
And this isn't just me dismissing you all as peasants (although I intrinsically am).
The British class system, just like that of other nations like the USA is not rigid and social mobility has a long history.
In my late 18th century, my great, great, great (etc) grandfather, the son of a poor country vicar, bought a commission with the East India Company, made millions, thus setting my family up financially and socially for generations to come. Similarly, people can still make money, educate their children well and improve chances.
Standard argument, I know, but IT IS POSSIBLE TO BETTER YOURSELF.
And this isn't just me dismissing you all as peasants (although I intrinsically am).
The British class system, just like that of other nations like the USA is not rigid and social mobility has a long history.
In my late 18th century, my great, great, great (etc) grandfather, the son of a poor country vicar, bought a commission with the East India Company, made millions, thus setting my family up financially and socially for generations to come. Similarly, people can still make money, educate their children well and improve chances.
Standard argument, I know, but IT IS POSSIBLE TO BETTER YOURSELF.
Original post by WinstonO'Brien
The "eroding" of the NHS? If I'm correct, the principles of the hippocratic oath are still being met. With regard to private schools, I am state educated, yet I am going to study medicine at a top university. Everyone here has the gift of opportunity, whilst the same cannot be said for those in other countries
Social mobility is still terrible in the UK like i said its hardly some utopia that we should be aiming for. Some of the poorest children in India, China too can grow up to be doctors. The level of inequality between the rich and poor in the UK and compared to those countries is just as high.
Original post by arson_fire
Regardless of how much money you have or what class you are every child in the UK is entitled to free primary and secondary education, free healthcare, and access to welfare support. We have clean drinking water available on tap to almost everyone. It may not be perfect but the UK is better than 90% of the world.
How long do you think this will continue? Britain has one of the highest taxation rates for the developed world. Highly indebted economy, its losing ground every day. But for the current situation yes it does but for such a "wealthy" country it should be doing more for the under privileged.
Original post by arson_fire
We already give them a house, free healthcare, free water, free education from age 2 upto masters degrees, and cash every 2 weeks to buy food. I`m not sure what else we should be doing.
The 185,000 homeless people in the UK, most of whom will not have a fixed address and thus unable to claim any form of benefits, would disagree with you. As would the 135,000 people wrongly sanctioned by the government last year who were left to rely on food-banks.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of income would someone have to earn to be considered 'middle class'? 50+k??
Original post by Martyn*
But what do you think?
But what do you think?
The French are/were far worse, and they got rid of the aristocracy long ago. Certainly pre-2010, anyway.
Original post by arson_fire
Councils have a legal obligation to provide assistance to homeless people. If people wont take it up then that up to them.
That's a simplification. Although it's generally true that Councils/Social Services may have an obligation to provide support to those who are homeless, it does depend on a range of circumstances and criteria whether or not they are given this support or treat as a priority need.
It also depends on what is meant by "homeless" (living on the streets? Living in a carvan? Temporary accomodation?)
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Original post by arson_fire
Councils have a legal obligation to provide assistance to homeless people. If people wont take it up then that up to them.
We don`t have the kind of absolute poverty in the UK that exists in most of the rest of the world, mainly because the assistance we provide to our under privileged is some of the best in the world.
We don`t have the kind of absolute poverty in the UK that exists in most of the rest of the world, mainly because the assistance we provide to our under privileged is some of the best in the world.
They have a legal obligation to place them on a housing waiting-list. But since the lists are already severely overcrowded, it doesn't deal with the problem particularly well.
I didn't say that we have the kid of absolute poverty experienced in the third world (but the relative poverty here is a disgrace) - it'd be foolish to try assert that. But it's certainly not true that the UK is a safe-haven for anyone and everyone to escape poverty; the holes in the so-called 'safety net' are bigger than most people think ...
Technically, there are few to no 'peasants' in the UK. As they cannot live off-of the land or be self-sustaining, etc. Also, I would say that places like India, are far worse. (I haven't been there, however). Somewhere I have been, South Africa, is also a good example.
I can't stand the lower/working class, rather do away with them than the upper class who actually add to the economy in other ways than buying a tonne of alcohol.
also who the hell can hate the royal family ? they made Britain ffs lol.
also who the hell can hate the royal family ? they made Britain ffs lol.
Original post by Bill_Gates
Social mobility is still terrible in the UK like i said its hardly some utopia that we should be aiming for. Some of the poorest children in India, China too can grow up to be doctors. The level of inequality between the rich and poor in the UK and compared to those countries is just as high.
How long do you think this will continue? Britain has one of the highest taxation rates for the developed world. Highly indebted economy, its losing ground every day. But for the current situation yes it does but for such a "wealthy" country it should be doing more for the under privileged.
How long do you think this will continue? Britain has one of the highest taxation rates for the developed world. Highly indebted economy, its losing ground every day. But for the current situation yes it does but for such a "wealthy" country it should be doing more for the under privileged.
The only way we can reach this level of fairness you wish to achieve, is by taxing the rich even more heavily and giving to the poor. Oh wait, why bother becoming a doctor etc when you can do nothing and get the same reward? I believe your Utopia is more formally known as communism, and we all know how well that works out
Peasants and serfs? What nonsense. This isn't a feudal society, the 'underclass' are not agricultural.
As for you, learn about what Communism actually is about as opposed to spewing propaganda. Study the history of "Marxism" and Communism, then give your informed opinion on it.
Then you are ignorant of the labourers who were drawn from a quarter of the world's population and their role in shaping the former British Empire. Logically the working class is the class which does the work, the labour required to construct a society for the upper class to actually exist.
Original post by WinstonO'Brien
The only way we can reach this level of fairness you wish to achieve, is by taxing the rich even more heavily and giving to the poor. Oh wait, why bother becoming a doctor etc when you can do nothing and get the same reward? I believe your Utopia is more formally known as communism, and we all know how well that works out
As for you, learn about what Communism actually is about as opposed to spewing propaganda. Study the history of "Marxism" and Communism, then give your informed opinion on it.
Original post by Maths and cheesecake
I can't stand the lower/working class, rather do away with them than the upper class who actually add to the economy in other ways than buying a tonne of alcohol.
also who the hell can hate the royal family ? they made Britain ffs lol.
also who the hell can hate the royal family ? they made Britain ffs lol.
Then you are ignorant of the labourers who were drawn from a quarter of the world's population and their role in shaping the former British Empire. Logically the working class is the class which does the work, the labour required to construct a society for the upper class to actually exist.
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Original post by Martyn*
I think there are exceptions.
In my experiences the established middle and upper middle class aren't necessarily against social justice. If anything the nouveau riche tend to be further to the right.
Original post by Ravenous
India is probably worse.
india has a population of 120 crore or even more and the most diverse country in the world ... so it can never be compared to uk... it is in its developing state while uk is quite developed as compared to india .. it takes time to change the state of such a big population mate
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Original post by Mr_Sinister
I never really thought about class until I started living with middle-class people...UK is horrible for it and getting rid of the royal family would help.
It actually seems like it is getting worse...Kate Middleton is very popular and shows like benefit street are demonising the underclass.
It actually seems like it is getting worse...Kate Middleton is very popular and shows like benefit street are demonising the underclass.
Agree, all she's done is marry a member of the royal family... hardly an achievement- and she's treated like she's a "national treasure".
Cleaners and minimum wage workers work harder than a glorified family.
Original post by Maths and cheesecake
I can't stand the lower/working class, rather do away with them than the upper class who actually add to the economy in other ways than buying a tonne of alcohol.
also who the hell can hate the royal family ? they made Britain ffs lol.
also who the hell can hate the royal family ? they made Britain ffs lol.
You are ****ing stupid.
You can't stand the lower/working class? OK... who takes out your garbage? Who stacks the shelves? Who makes your clothes? Who is bearing the brunt of Conservative austerity? Who cleans your school or the streets?
You need shareholders to invest into a business but also you need the workers. The lower classes and upper classes contribute the most to the economy. Not middle class clowns sitting in an office twiddling their thumbs.
I don't believe in the need for a royal family because luck shouldn't determine whether you're a head of state or not and their achievement is being born.
The only reason why Britain became 'great' is because they stole resources from other countries.
Original post by Burridge
They have a legal obligation to place them on a housing waiting-list. But since the lists are already severely overcrowded, it doesn't deal with the problem particularly well.
I didn't say that we have the kid of absolute poverty experienced in the third world (but the relative poverty here is a disgrace) - it'd be foolish to try assert that. But it's certainly not true that the UK is a safe-haven for anyone and everyone to escape poverty; the holes in the so-called 'safety net' are bigger than most people think ...
I didn't say that we have the kid of absolute poverty experienced in the third world (but the relative poverty here is a disgrace) - it'd be foolish to try assert that. But it's certainly not true that the UK is a safe-haven for anyone and everyone to escape poverty; the holes in the so-called 'safety net' are bigger than most people think ...
What nonsense you type, instantly climbed to the top of my "least intelligent TSR users table", look at you. typing your liberal, socialist nonsense, despite no country every becoming successful with such policies. You are naïve though, in a few years when you grow up you will learn the every of your narrow and short-minded claims
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