Ukrainian/Russian Tensions Megathread

Russia and USA are equally bad.

Stay away from RT, it's owned by the russian government and also cnn and all the other bs.

But RT is a useful resource for the Russian view of the events, one does not simply make an informed decision with a single opinion.

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I watched rt for some time and some of the **** they say is stupid and people believe it. Stupid ass propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQqFcdg7jEo
This retard thinks that Russia is the only country that has oil and natural gas. USA is ahead of them in natural gas production. but who will tell this retard that? I'm not from usa

And some of the western media is any better. And the Russians have a hell of a lot of gas and oil, it's just not too easy to get at.

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So does USA. Did I say that the western media is better?

Given a statement to avoid RT and nothing else would imply so

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Russia and USA are equally bad.

Stay away from RT, it's owned by the russian government and also cnn and all the other bs.

I also said CNN and other news network.

Right...

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Not like the USSR has.... sorry... "Russia" has done the same thing recently somewhere else, otherwise we're just all getting paranoid.... ... *cough* *georgia* *cough*

So when someone makes a joke, they are really describing the truth or secret motives they have? Wow, I certainly missed that in Psychology 101. Paints a pretty dire, disturbing picture of Britain and its notoriety for its dark humour. Does it also mean that Obama meant literally that he was going to use drones on the Jonas brothers when he joked as to how he would react would they make a move on his daughter?So perhaps they were indeed joking about annexing Miami as it was something they wanted to happen, or perhaps, as made obvious by the outlandish targets of annexation such as Venice and Scotland, they were reacting to the overzealous media backlash which claimed that after Crimea, Russia would be working to annex large parts of Eastern Europe.

If there is two things that has undermined discussion on Russia it is either comparing them to fascism or suggesting that under putin they are the USSR reincarnate.

Oh yeah crap, I completely forgot that the encouraged breakaway of two provinces that had already fought small wars over their intention to break away from Georgia showed how evil Russia was. I mean its okay that western countries have invaded, overthrown governments and replaced with pro-western ones several times in the past decade because we do it for abstract notions such as human rights, democracy or other ideas that never really come to pass.

But no, I think it is great that when it comes to Russia, you can remember similar events. I only hope that you retain this ability next time we are about to go to war.

Id take RT's word over anything the Western Media produces. Even though RT is going to overstate Russias innocence in the conflict and is essentially state propaganda they are certainly covering the conflict more extensively. I'm done trying to see good with the current establishment on this side of the globe; how can anyone objectively say Russia is the main aggressor here?

What about VICE News' word?

[video="youtube;oeMuqA3PDIg"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeMuqA3PDIg[/video]

You're being ridiculous here. You're done trying to see the good of western governments? You would take RT's word over anything the western media has to say? Surely you can see the hypocrisy in this.

You're meant to look at both sidesof the arguments and make your own mind, not blindly listen to one side of the argument. Of course they is somewhat of a western bias in western media. However, they is a much stronger Russian bias at RT. The only reason RT is covering the crises so extensively is because Ukraine is more important to Russia than the EU.

But Russia love to compare those in kiev to facist's.... even though putin and russia's behaviour actually fits the definition of facism much better....

Well lets see. A definition of facism...

"Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation and asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations"

Veneration of the state? Well looking at recent pro-russian protests inside and outside russia... check.

Devotion to a strong leader.... check, don't even have to explain that one

Empahsis on ultranationalism.... well seeing how minorities are still talked about as the enemy of the state and the recent attack of gay rights and individuals, check

Using Politicial violence, war and Imperialism as mean to achieve nation rejuvenation... well that's was done in Ukraine and Georgia... Political and physical violence against opposition in russia.... check.

Asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nation... well they have not stated literally as such but annexing area's of weaker countries does suggest they believe they have a right to do so.

That's ignoring other fascist qualities like repression of political opponents which is widespread in russia at the moment. For example arresting anti-war protestors or those who speak out against Putin...