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The 19 year old pedophile who has never gone near a child- Interesting podcast

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Original post by Pinkyluva08

If you listened to the podcast you would know that he did. Unless downloading and viewing child pornography suddenly became legal?


It's unclear as to if he had watched actual or simulated porn. In either case that is hardly the same as molesting a child and further would have probably been far less likely if help was readily available.





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Original post by RandZul'Zorander
It's unclear as to if he had watched actual or simulated porn. In either case that is hardly the same as molesting a child and further would have probably been far less likely if help was readily available.





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And I quote, his words. 'I knew what I was doing was illegal, I knew it was a crime.'
Original post by Pinkyluva08
And I quote, his words. 'I knew what I was doing was illegal, I knew it was a crime.'


And I'll repeat again, watching porn is not the same as child molestation. Not even close. And as I said before it would have been much less likely to happen if support was more readily available.


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Original post by Pinkyluva08
If you listened to the podcast you would know that he did. Unless downloading and viewing child pornography suddenly became legal?


It isn't legal, but it's not that bad in the big scheme of things. It isn't as bad as mugging some, for example.
Original post by Pinkyluva08
And I quote, his words. 'I knew what I was doing was illegal, I knew it was a crime.'


Simulated stuff is illegal as well (for some stupid reason).
I agree that every step should be taken to stop people from abusing children that's a given. But to me what mental state is someone in which they can enjoy watching a child being abused? That it gives them sexual pleasure knowing that someone's life can be changed and that their innocence taken? You may say it's not as bad as that person actually abusing a child, but somewhere a child is being abused and they are thriving off it. They aren't caring about that child's life or potential mental state or the damage that could be done to that child. It's that mindset I struggle with. So yes they are pedophiles and they have to expect that some people in society are going to loathe them for having those sexual feelings even if they never act on it. And just for the sake of argument, I think if it was your child or realtive being sexually abused and being shared all over the world so people could masturbate you would take getting mugged anyday. I know I for sure bloody would.
Original post by Pinkyluva08
I agree that every step should be taken to stop people from abusing children that's a given. But to me what mental state is someone in which they can enjoy watching a child being abused? That it gives them sexual pleasure knowing that someone's life can be changed and that their innocence taken?


I would argue that they are not actually deriving pleasure from the fact that the child's life will be changed. In their mind, and indeed I would think they sexual attraction is one not based on causing harm. Some may of course, sadists do exist, but that hardly is what pedophilia seems to denote.

That harm, psychological damage, etc may be the result but I am reluctant to think that that is what all pedophiles are attracted to rather than just the body/image.

You may say it's not as bad as that person actually abusing a child, but somewhere a child is being abused and they are thriving off it. They aren't caring about that child's life or potential mental state or the damage that could be done to that child. It's that mindset I struggle with. So yes they are pedophiles and they have to expect that some people in society are going to loathe them for having those sexual feelings even if they never act on it.


As I said, we don't know if it was real children or if it was simulated. If it was simulated then no child was abused. But again, I don't think that they are attracted to the idea of abuse. It happens to be abuse but in their eyes (or fantasies really) its not. Although thats not necessarily the same as those who make the child porn, as often times the children are kidnapped and live in horrible conditions and are abused not just sexually etc.

I would also question whether you have the same opinion of everyone who watches porn? A lot of porn is coerced where the actors (mainly women) are coerced into such work, and are in poor conditions such that it could be considered abusive. Do you say that people who watch all porn don't care about the wellbeing of the actors? I would think probably not.

It is possible to separate and get pleasure from the sight of something while still having an opposing view to the conditions (or in the case of pedophiles idealizing a situation that is unattainable).

And just for the sake of argument, I think if it was your child or realtive being sexually abused and being shared all over the world so people could masturbate you would take getting mugged anyday. I know I for sure bloody would.


Why are we talking about sexual abuse? I didn't condone child molestation, neither did the person in the clip.

However I would be completely justified being upset at my child or relative being sexual abused and being shared. But don't misunderstand, I would be upset that it was filmed and that it was put up. After that though...what? Am I supposed to be angry every time its seen? Or just when its seen and something masturbates to it? Why? Because they are now supporting the abuse of my child? They can't it already happened. I might be upset sure. But I think that would probably be more about the fact that it is still out there and more a residual feeling of anger from it being uploaded in the first place than at that particular person.
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Original post by Pinkyluva08
I agree that every step should be taken to stop people from abusing children that's a given. But to me what mental state is someone in which they can enjoy watching a child being abused? That it gives them sexual pleasure knowing that someone's life can be changed and that their innocence taken? You may say it's not as bad as that person actually abusing a child, but somewhere a child is being abused and they are thriving off it. They aren't caring about that child's life or potential mental state or the damage that could be done to that child. It's that mindset I struggle with. So yes they are pedophiles and they have to expect that some people in society are going to loathe them for having those sexual feelings even if they never act on it. And just for the sake of argument, I think if it was your child or realtive being sexually abused and being shared all over the world so people could masturbate you would take getting mugged anyday. I know I for sure bloody would.


Was this aimed at me? Use the quote button so that I know you have replied, otherwise I may not see it.
Original post by karmacrunch
All sexual feelings for a child are wrong, whether you like it or not. I didn't watch the video because I don't really want to but i think that paedophilla is a mental illness. If this guy really wants to change he should get therapy or just pick himself up before he gets into trouble.


Would you say this to someone with depression or anxiety? "I know you are feeling depressed but just pick yourself up". If you experienced a mental illness you will understand that you can't just "get over it".
Original post by brendonbackflip
I think one of the main reasons people refuse to look at paedophila in the same light as homosexuality is because unfortunately a stupid homophobic argument against homosexuals is that "well if you accept this, you can accept incest and pedophiles!", and the natural response is to completely rebute this argument.

What upsets me is that the leaps that gay rights campaigning has made have made the view that "you can't help who you fall in love with!" a very common opinion but only when its applied to gay people. No one in this thread is of course advocating paedofilia to be acted upon, but it is not one rule for one sexuality, and a different one for another. The closest analogy I can think of is how its common knowledge that racism is bad, yet there is still an anti-islam belief strong in the west today, and for many people there's no understanding that some if not all anti-islamic views are indeed racist and wrong. (please don't start an argument with me on Muslims now!). Bottom line is, people do not learn from humanity's previous mistakes.


Yeah, I agree. the reason that I'm totally fine with being compared with paedophiles (I can't represent any other gay individuals, unfortunately), is because the similarities are very evident but people just refuse to acknowledged it. No, children cannot consent, but that is a social construction, and age of consent vary from place to place greatly. Actually, gay people cannot consent by law back in those day either. I am not suggesting that children are ever going to be able to consent to sexual activity, but using the argument "children cannot consent" to differentiate paedophilia and homosexuality citing current laws is simply absurd. I don't understand how people can ignore the striking similarities (both are "deviant" sexuality that people did not choose to have, both are stigmatized at some stage in time, if acted out, both are at some point illegal and people with these attractions are seen as inhuman monsters, both are labelled as "mental disorder" at some stage.)

I simply can't enjoy all the advancement in LGBT right and think that we're a better society, when we cannot logically apply the same rules to comparable groups, we even refuse to admit they're comparable. That's not a society improving on itself, we're just moving from one witch hunt target (gays) to the next, as if we've learned nothing from the fights for gay rights. No one is suggesting paedophiles and gays are identical, but merely comparable; seeing paedophiles as human being and actually try to see things from their perspective benefits everyone, even the potential victims.

And what is this, another social segregation experiment?

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Original post by Pinkyluva08
I can't lie i'm listening to this podcast and i'm struggling. Really struggling. I understand he has a medical problem but I can see why the hate for pedophiles is so bad. It's the worst kind of crime. I can only imagine how is poor mum felt when she found out.


eh... it is not a crime.
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Oh I see now that you're referring him admitting viewing child porn, the wording is kind of strange, it read as if you were referring to "pedophilia" as a " worst kind of crime".
Honestly though, I don't think downloading some child porn when you're in your early teen years and then deleting them and feeling guilty really counts as "worst kind of crime", there are things much worse.
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Original post by ncsoftlover
Yeah, I agree. the reason that I'm totally fine with being compared with paedophiles (I can't represent any other gay individuals, unfortunately), is because the similarities are very evident but people just refuse to acknowledged it. No, children cannot consent, but that is a social construction, and age of consent vary from place to place greatly. Actually, gay people cannot consent by law back in those day either. I am not suggesting that children are ever going to be able to consent to sexual activity, but using the argument "children cannot consent" to differentiate paedophilia and homosexuality citing current laws is simply absurd. I don't understand how people can ignore the striking similarities (both are "deviant" sexuality that people did not choose to have, both are stigmatized at some stage in time, if acted out, both are at some point illegal and people with these attractions are seen as inhuman monsters, both are labelled as "mental disorder" at some stage.)

I simply can't enjoy all the advancement in LGBT right and think that we're a better society, when we cannot logically apply the same rules to comparable groups, we even refuse to admit they're comparable. That's not a society improving on itself, we're just moving from one witch hunt target (gays) to the next, as if we've learned nothing from the fights for gay rights. No one is suggesting paedophiles and gays are identical, but merely comparable; seeing paedophiles as human being and actually try to see things from their perspective benefits everyone, even the potential victims.

And what is this, another social segregation experiment?

paedophile.jpg


This is actually a very interesting position. I've never thought about the age of consent as such a social construct. I don't know why but I seemed to have purposefully ignored that nobody was legally allowed to consent to homosexual sex not too long ago.

That being said, I think age of consent is slightly more objective than you are letting on. There is plenty of psychology and neurology that suggests that before a certain age the brain is not developed enough to be able to have fully informed consent. Now this could be for a variety of reasons and so may not be a sufficient argument by itself for the current age of consent but I digress.

I just wanted to say that your analysis was very interesting and that I appreciate its nuance. People tend to be extremely reactionary to pedophilia, I would think probably out of fear of the social backlash of not reacting angrily and automatically denouncing it. This seems to have seemed into even the LGBT*Q movement which at one point worked with people with pedophilia and encouraged lobbying for more institutional support for those who were pedophilic.
Original post by alis-volatpropriis
A human being with 'decent moral values' wouldn't be attracted to pre-pubescent children. There is nothing 'decent' or 'moral' about anyone that has such urges.


A human being with 'decent moral values' wouldn't be attracted to someone of the same sex. There is nothing 'decent' or 'moral' about anyone that has such urges.

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