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Pakistan protesters to secure the red zone in Islamabad

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Original post by India4ever
No , the story is much more complex and options are tricky (all I have mentioned can be tracked with any international source)

1. India actually did not had any interest in Kashmir during independence, so it let it be as a separate country. Trouble started when Pakistan army started invading Kashmir with local terrorists , to overthrow the Hindu ruler and conquer the land. The king asked India for help, but Kashmir not being a part of India , it was not possible to send huge army and maintain a constant watch over another land . Thus the treaty was signed to keep Pakistan away.
Pakistan do not care for kashmiri people, it does not even care for its own. Their main motive was to occupy more land and resources of Kashmir. If pakistan any a fraction of remorse for kashmiri people then they would have not send terrorist , who kill every one to cause tension.

If one beg to differ that Pakistan did no such thing , then let me remind you Pakistan army has never won a single war against any country.
So when Indian army arrived , it first stopped Pakistan army from invading any further and took care of local terrorists.
Also the fact that India won four out of four battles with Pakistan , in which three, Pakistan lost so badly that with force alone India could have taken entire Kashmir back and much more. But due to internal (to maintain peace) and external (us , uk etc) pressure India did no such thing.
The line, where the war was fought became the cease fire in 3rd war and LOC in forth.

2. Kashmiri people have no interest in India and still want to remain independent, if could. Pakistan claim to Kashmir due to religion is very hollow. During the first war, Indian army struggled a lot with local terrorist and later with Pakistan sending or funding more terrorist till date, there is still some tension between Indian army and kashmiri's though much less now.
But in starting when tension was high , Pakistan and other group tried hard to show as if, India a Hindu majority country was being cruel to Muslim population of Kashmir, which was a stupid in its self, cause India is a secular country and had more Muslim population then Pakistan.
Till date some portion of pakistani population is under the same hoax of India being cruel to Muslims or that our constitution is anti Muslim which is false , also Kashmir does not follow Indian constitution, but India do regulate on human right issue in a consultative manner with Kashmir government.
Though even in worst situation there was never even a quarter agreement to join Pakistan, let alone a majority.
(Turning a nation into secular was not a day work , it took time ).

3. Segregation was never an option, specially with history with Pakistan.
During the segregation between India and Pakistan , where India became a secular country , Pakistan was a Muslim country .
India welcomed Muslim and Hindu people from Pakistan side during separation , even allotted them land , as red land (fertile) .. Though it was not anywhere enough for the huge losses these people have suffered.

But on pakistan side a blood war had started where hindus and other non Muslim, where thrown out, and put with death warnings by military.
India has no interest to see the same with kashmir with 15+ % non muslim population at that time. Other close regions with Hindu majority would also suffer from the same.

4. Kashmir now means different things for India and Pakistan.

For India it is a liability, because it covers a huge north portion in such a way , that if lost to Pakistan or china , it would have to spend much more in defence, since border would increase and from two side , west and north .
So economically a bad deal.

Pakistan
Kashmir has been seen as a soft target by Pakistan, as it blames every internal problem over it .
It also used to justify its out of proportion large army.
Terrorist in Pakistan also pressure on it, cause it will be a huge gate way to eastern countries like , Nepal , Bhutan etc.

5. Why take Hyderabad ? It was a silly issue where a king alone was being selfish trying to be in power.
Difference here was , people actually did not wanted to be independent and join India, unlike Kashmir who never had any intention to join Pakistan .
Also an example where India have shown proof for being not being Hippocratic is Bhutan and Nepal . With similar situation we allowed these to slit out cause we shared their border with china.

6. Pakistan is 12 on failed nation , while India is 76 th.
Who in the world (except pakistan ) thinks Kashmiri people want to join Pakistan.

7.In the 22 years since the Kashmir insurgency started, Indian economy has boomed while Pakistan economy has gone down the toilet

8.After Kashmir they will ask for Delhi , then UP then somebody will ask for separate Khalistan , separate Nagaland , separate Tamil Eelam etc...


Just lol, you should have said "I don't support the rights of Kashmiris to self determination as set down by the UN Charter".
Original post by Roflwaffles
Really?? it's okay in g-10


There's nothing going on, my parents are just scared
I'm off. Too much retardedness. I encourage you all to do your own research into Kashmir, the Indian brutality there and come to your own conclusions
Original post by AlligatorSky
There's nothing going on, my parents are just scared


Aaahhh! okay
Original post by Roflwaffles
Aaahhh! okay


There's a man who's just gone to the march to meet Gullu Butt :'D
Original post by AlligatorSky
There's a man who's just gone to the march to meet Gullu Butt :'D


No idea about that but it would be great if.....That ganja should have resigned by now!
Original post by Roflwaffles
No idea about that but it would be great if.....That ganja should have resigned by now!


He can't resign! Have you seen Blue area? Who ever replaces Nawaz Sharif won't bother fixing it up for him. And there's so much traffic on Margalla road because of that.
Original post by Roflwaffles
No idea about that but it would be great if.....That ganja should have resigned by now!


Lol, are you serious/ a naive burger?

PTI claim that 10 seats were rigged and should be investigated- they've accepted the rest of the election results. Even if all 10 seats go to them, they will still be scraping 40 which is nothing.

The fact of the matter is Nawaz Sharif won the elections and is playing his cards extremely well. One wrong move from him and the military comes in.

Imran has gone from being a shining light to an absolute nightmare. Most Pakistanis are now firmly against him.
Original post by AlligatorSky
He can't resign! Have you seen Blue area? Who ever replaces Nawaz Sharif won't bother fixing it up for him. And there's so much traffic on Margalla road because of that.


Yeah u are right about the traffic but still....
Original post by Roflwaffles
Yeah u are right about the traffic but still....


Don't tell me you support PTI :tongue:
Original post by AlligatorSky
Don't tell me you support PTI :tongue:


Well tbh not really, u?
Original post by Roflwaffles
Well tbh not really, u?


Nope, I don't like Imran Khan
Original post by AlligatorSky
Nope, I don't like Imran Khan


Okay but i like him
Reply 73
I support Nawas Sharif so Imran Khan (I love the guy) and Tahirul Qadri can **** off.
Original post by AlligatorSky
Nope, I don't like Imran Khan


is it due to the closure of nando's :biggrin:


Your prophet married a 6 year old and had sex with her when she was 9. The Quran allows you to rape concubines you capture in war. I'd rather drink cow piss then follow that.
With Britain becoming worse and worse by the day, I propose that we all seek asylum somewhere.I suggest Pakistan:We could build a huge church in the middle of Islamabad that dominates the skyline, set up chippys and shops on every corner, assault the locals who dare to come into "our" part of town, set up specialist shops selling pork products and non-halal meat, protest to the government that the name "Ramadan" is offensive to our religion, and ask that they make it more inclusive by changing it to "Starve Yourself Fest."
Original post by Roflwaffles
is it due to the closure of nando's :biggrin:


Haha, noo. It's because of a lot of political reasons that I don't want to get into to.
I respect the man as a cricketer though.
Original post by AlligatorSky
Haha, noo. It's because of a lot of political reasons that I don't want to get into to.
I respect the man as a cricketer though.


:smile:
Original post by Eric.T.Cartman
With Britain becoming worse and worse by the day, I propose that we all seek asylum somewhere.I suggest Pakistan:We could build a huge church in the middle of Islamabad that dominates the skyline."


Like this one in Islamabad you mean?

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