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Original post by ando181
Lol, you're a medic snob.

I doubt Vet med is more competitive than med/dent btw, I really don't think theres much of a difference between any of them

People fear going to have any surgical work done, not just dental work.


Maybe, but I think my snobbery is justified. Surgical work is a rarer occurrence than going to the GP though, isn't it? Medicine is more varied than Dentistry, so you will find a bit of medicine that people fear, but on the whole people tend to like Doctors.

Vet Med is more competitive IIRC because there are fewer places offering the courses, I think there's just 6 Universities for Vet Med. Doctors in my family think that Vet Med is one of the hardest subjects out there because they have to learn Medicine for a variety of species, rather than just one.
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Original post by Emilin
Maybe, but I think my snobbery is justified. Surgical work is a rarer occurrence than going to the GP though, isn't it? Medicine is more varied than Dentistry, so you will find a bit of medicine that people fear, but in the whole people tend to like Doctors.

Vet Med is more competitive IIRC because there are fewer places offering the courses, I think there's just 6 Universities for Vet Med. Doctors in my family think that Vet Med is one of the hardest subjects out there because they have to learn Medicine for a variety of species, rather than just one.


Your snobbery is not justified, in any way, shape, or form.

Vet med has a much lower number of applicants too.

In the whole people tend to like doctors? Have you ever read a newspaper about GPs?

People don't dislike their dentist, they dislike going to have dental work done - theres a difference.
Original post by Temporality
I would not want to be doctored by any such person


Are you reading the comments from 'Emilin'? lol
Original post by LaMandarine
I had to give up medicine.
I was 2nd best in my city at anatomy in the 10th grade. I got 98 in an olympiad exam, which is pretty hard to achieve if you have 6 sheets of exam papers to go through in 3 hours. And they weren't just ticking boxes, at all.
Everybody in my class recommended me for med school, my biology teacher was really excited in the 12th grade to start med school prepping classes with me. And in the first week of my senior year I told her I decided to change my mind and give up med school. I was surprised to leave the whole class shocked.
My mom was the main cause. And I am calling her a cause because I still believe she was a b*ch for doing what she did. It's true, med school is paid like **** over here. Medicine in Romania lasts 6 years and when you get out the state gives you 150 quid per month for what it's written in the contract to be 8 hours but you actually work way more than that.
My mom gathered all my family on what was supposed to be my pre-birthday dinner and she basically encouraged everybody to tell me why I'm stupid for picking medicine. How they'll have to keep me 6 years in uni and how I will end a very knowledgeable yet very poor and probably very single woman and everybody else from my high school would have already become the next Bill Gates by then.
When I finished the 11th grade I insisted that I should be helped with some tutoring at organic chemistry, as I wanted to improve in it for my med school exams, and she basically said that she didn't have the money to pay for my classes and that I had to study for myself. Even though she had the money, without any fuss.
In Romania in science-based high school classes, you get around 22 subjects in year 9 and 18-16 subjects in year 12. I had plenty of other subjects to struggle with, including math and programming, which I deliberately hated (I initially wanted to go to a Humanities profile to carry on my History studies, but she said that my high school admission average marks were too high for me to go to such a "low-class" profile, but I admit letting her influence me back then was strictly my fault) so I gave up in the end.
Now I'm going to study international relations, and I guess that I'm not that bad at it either. I won a couple of awards debating, and I really enjoyed it, but, it'll still bug me whenever I'll remember what a friend of mine that got into med school told me in the bus: ,, I know med school is hard, but I couldn't imagine wasting my life without doing what I actually wanted ".
What hurts even more is that I used to tutor all my friends that got into med school after classes, in the library, in the 10th grade.

If I had the chance to turn back time, I would've risked failing in my math exams and programming ones, not giving a ****, and focus on chemistry and get into med school.

Do what you want to do. I'm lucky that I'll somewhat enjoy what I'll be doing. But don't sacrifice your future for the sake of your parents.
Edit: Omg I wrote so much, I kinda feel bad o_o


Wow, so what subjects do people in romania study to make good money then?

People's passions change throughout their lives - you ask any young lad what they want to be and a lot of them will say footballer, 15 years later, maybe 1% of them will still want to become a footballer.
Just to counter what some people have said..

Another gap year isn't always a disaster. I took two, I went to university after my first one and it didn't work out for a multitude of reasons. I applied again and I got into a full set of universities for a completely different course, I'm going to UCL this year instead. So if you do decide to do what you want, I think there's no reason why you wouldn't have a chance.

EDIT: I think there's little point calling them now though. If you do decide to go for it, take another gap year. You will be in a better position and if you act fast may be able to get some minor experience in before you write your PS.
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Original post by Temporality
I would not want to be doctored by any such person


Exactly! Also your previous post about your own route you took really got to me, thank you for writing that. :smile: I'm still trying to figure out what the hell I'm doing with my life, and posts like yours make me realise its OK to make it up as you go along sometimes. I try too hard to plan and put a lot of extra pressure on myself.
Original post by Temporality
Vaguely but that wasn't my point. I just have a strong disliking for bigots who think that their way is the only way. Also dislike snobby med students who think the sun shines out of their ass. They're not the kind of people that should be doing medicine therefore I would not like to be doctored by them.


I agree, although, I've met dentistry students and law students who are exactly the same.

But, most law students have no basis, since they're probably going to be unemployed :tongue:
Can't understand why no one is picking up on this. OP's grades are good but so are a lot of peoples. Cold-calling UCL and Warwick for one of their most popular courses in the hope of a place without any experience of economics is not going to happen! OP seems to be kidding themselves into thinking they are in a strong negotiating position when actually they have absolutely nothing to offer.
Original post by ando181
Your snobbery is not justified, in any way, shape, or form.

Vet med has a much lower number of applicants too.

In the whole people tend to like doctors? Have you ever read a newspaper about GPs?

People don't dislike their dentist, they dislike going to have dental work done - theres a difference.


Are you talking about the Daily Mail?

Dentists are synonymous with dental work...
Original post by Emilin
Are you talking about the Daily Mail?

Dentists are synonymous with dental work...


lol, daily mail pls... The BBC and even the government - look at the new rule they've brought on GPs for being able to spot cancer.

Dentists are synonymous with dental work? exactly, they dislike dental work, they don't dislike their dentist as a person. Its something that has to be done, its like going to see a proctologist.
Original post by ando181
Wow, so what subjects do people in romania study to make good money then?

People's passions change throughout their lives - you ask any young lad what they want to be and a lot of them will say footballer, 15 years later, maybe 1% of them will still want to become a footballer.


Making good money in Romania doesn't necessarily require a degree. Wouldn't like to nominate the jobs, but let us say that they do appear on the news pretty often, but not in the "honest hard workers category".
Usually an honest hard worker in Romania ends up to be the low-middle class worker who works overtime for a deliberately ****ty salary just to take care of his/her family.
Yeah, I know.
My mom wanted to be a pastry chef since she was 8. At the age of 16 she became one and she's been working in the field for over 23 years. She deliberately hates her job now.
Original post by LaMandarine
Making good money in Romania doesn't necessarily require a degree. Wouldn't like to nominate the jobs, but let us say that they do appear on the news pretty often, but not in the "honest hard workers category".
Usually an honest hard worker in Romania ends up to be the low-middle class worker who works overtime for a deliberately ****ty salary just to take care of his/her family.

Yeah, I know.
My mom wanted to be a pastry chef since she was 8. At the age of 16 she became one and she's been working in the field for over 23 years. She deliberately hates her job now.


AKA connections to politicians and corporations.

Im assuming that when doctors and dentists work privately they are paid very well though?
Original post by ando181
AKA connections to politicians and corporations.

Im assuming that when doctors and dentists work privately they are paid very well though?

Yes, I wanted to add that just now. I recently went to a private dental clinic and paid over half of mom's salary for 5 sessions where she just cleaned some stains and drilled some molars here and there
(being the daughter of a pastry chef also means having a cavity or two, it's the curse of my gift :innocent:)
I'll use my country's currency because it is simple for me, but you can still make a difference with the numbers.
In a state clinic a doctor (*GP or specialised) with 10 year experience would be paid 1600-1800 lei pcm
In a private clinic a doctor* with the same experience would be paid 2500-2800 lei pcm
When a doctor* becomes a professor in his degree and has his own private clinic, he can make that much in a couple of days.
A dentist? Hell, I don't know how much experience she had, years wise, but for less than 3 hours with me in 5 days she got around 600 lei. 120 lei per session, and each lasted around 30 minutes. And she had plenty of other clients to fill up her schedule in a day
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its very simple. Go to the university that you got in and ask them to change course which they will allow you to do. Then work hard and try and get a transfer second year into UCL or whatever. One of my friends changed his mind and changed course and then transferred to another university to do engineering.
Original post by ando181
Well, you obviously need a top degree to get in first lol. You do the specific actuary exams once you're working for a firm, you have to have a degree before that


in any case, get your parents convinced acturial sciences is your thing. Every minute you lose is tons of money.....:biggrin:
Original post by Chapeau Rouge
Can't understand why no one is picking up on this. OP's grades are good but so are a lot of peoples. Cold-calling UCL and Warwick for one of their most popular courses in the hope of a place without any experience of economics is not going to happen! OP seems to be kidding themselves into thinking they are in a strong negotiating position when actually they have absolutely nothing to offer.


This is why it's such a fascinating thread to watch! The lack of engagement with reality is breath-taking, as is the idea that simply because one works in finance, one will earn a fortune. I do hope the OP keeps us updated on this quest - through the current range of clearing ("OK, I know my PS is all about dentistry, but really all along I wanted to be an actuary" - having knocked back someone this year for one of the programmes I am AT for, who was *also* previously passionate about being a dentist, and had assumed that, because they met our offer, a place was guaranteed: and was also not only mind-numbingly arrogant but also completely average and unimpressive and could put together no coherent narrative for switching from dentistry to a social science degree, and had no evidence whatsoever that this was anything other than a whim.) right up until transition into a place, whether this year or next. Oh, and did I mention, the student I rejected, on the basis of no apparent interest in the subject - no work experience, no in-depth understanding, very little engagement - had 4 A* at A level?

AT's are - by and large - neither stupid nor desperate: and we don't want people on our programmes who are going to stuff up the figures by dropping out, because they haven't thought things through properly, or because they never were that interested in the first place. That becomes truer the higher you go up the pecking order - East London will tolerate things that KCL won't, for example. But I will be very interested to see what happens with the OP: a definite 100% for entitled attitude, but I'll be interested to know whether UCL and Warwick will snap this student up with the alacrity that is being supposed here.
Original post by M-P-JxX
its very simple. Go to the university that you got in and ask them to change course which they will allow you to do. Then work hard and try and get a transfer second year into UCL or whatever. One of my friends changed his mind and changed course and then transferred to another university to do engineering.

Firstly, it's not always possible to change course when you arrive: sometimes, yes, if the course isn't full, but it's not automatic.

Secondly, swapping to second year on a different course when it's not closely related to the original choice is virtually impossible - I doubt very much that the first year of dentistry anywhere has the same learning outcomes for the first year as any economics degree. So whilst you may be able to transfer and retake the first year, transferring between faculties like this, even at the same university, is extremely unlikely.
Original post by KatetheLecturer
This is why it's such a fascinating thread to watch! The lack of engagement with reality is breath-taking, as is the idea that simply because one works in finance, one will earn a fortune. I do hope the OP keeps us updated on this quest - through the current range of clearing ("OK, I know my PS is all about dentistry, but really all along I wanted to be an actuary" - having knocked back someone this year for one of the programmes I am AT for, who was *also* previously passionate about being a dentist, and had assumed that, because they met our offer, a place was guaranteed: and was also not only mind-numbingly arrogant but also completely average and unimpressive and could put together no coherent narrative for switching from dentistry to a social science degree, and had no evidence whatsoever that this was anything other than a whim.) right up until transition into a place, whether this year or next. Oh, and did I mention, the student I rejected, on the basis of no apparent interest in the subject - no work experience, no in-depth understanding, very little engagement - had 4 A* at A level?

AT's are - by and large - neither stupid nor desperate: and we don't want people on our programmes who are going to stuff up the figures by dropping out, because they haven't thought things through properly, or because they never were that interested in the first place. That becomes truer the higher you go up the pecking order - East London will tolerate things that KCL won't, for example. But I will be very interested to see what happens with the OP: a definite 100% for entitled attitude, but I'll be interested to know whether UCL and Warwick will snap this student up with the alacrity that is being supposed here.


Clearly you didn't read my original post fully. Im fully aware that its unlikely to be given a place, regardless of my grades.

Im not entitled to a place because of my grades, trust me, I applied for ****ing dentistry - I know.

Again, Im not in this 100% for the money - or I would stick with becoming a dentist. Much more stable and more likely to earn a high salary.
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I empathise with your situation although I'm from a different cultural background.

"Choose a job you love and you will never have to work a day in your life."

Allegedly a Confucius quote

When you have a passion for something then it is sky's the limit. If you feel you have been coerced into something then it will likely grow into seething resentment over the next FORTY years of YOUR life.

A delayed year here and there amounts to nothing in the scheme of things.

If you study for degree for a year then switch to year 1 of another (3 year) degree then my understanding is that funding arrangements are still intact and simple.

You could still pursue the original arrangement (for year 1) whilst setting up the next chapter in your life.

Perhaps you will eventually become a prominent health economist given your starting position.
Original post by ando181
Clearly you didn't read my original post fully. Im fully aware that its unlikely to be given a place, regardless of my grades.

Im not entitled to a place because of my grades, trust me, I applied for ****ing dentistry - I know.

Again, Im not in this 100% for the money - or I would stick with becoming a dentist. Much more stable and more likely to earn a high salary.


Methinks someone protests too much. You already pointed out that actuaries end up earning a lot more than dentists in an earlier post (I wonder why that would interest you?). You are also very specific that you want to go to UCL or Warwick because they apparently get approached by Goldman Sachs etc, which you have presumably been told pays more than than say UBS (For the record, I imagine that UBS pay a decent salary too, and may even allow their Actuaries to have a bit more of a life too, given that Goldman Sachs are known for working their staff like dogs).

If you were in it for the sheer joy of Economics, you would not mind going to a perfectly respectable and well funded Russell Group University - but you rejected Nottingham etc. as you want a University that is apparently a target for Goldman Sachs etc. (I find it hard to believe that the Russell Group universities would not be a target for Goldman Sachs as well).

There is nothing wrong with being motivated by money - a lot of people are. It's just better to be honest.

And regarding the dentistry point, I don't think you *got* what I meant by 'Dentists are synonymous with dental work'. People don't like going to dentists because they associate them with something they fear (dental work) - you are more likely to hear someone say 'I don't want to go to the Dentist', not 'I do not want to get dental work'.

I perhaps shouldn't be such a snob about Medicine, so I won't say anymore on that subject. All professions have their merits and unless I've walked in their shoes, I can't judge fairly.
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