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Integral of -64cos^3x

So I tried to do this integral and I got 16(cos^4x)/sinx
I am guessing I'm very wrong. But I don't know why I'm wrong


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Original post by maths_4_life
So I tried to do this integral and I got 16(cos^4x)/sinx
I am guessing I'm very wrong. But I don't know why I'm wrong


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There's not a nice way to say this, but yeah, what did you try?
I'd recommend writing cos3(x)=cos(x)(1sin2(x))\cos^3(x)=\cos(x)(1-\sin^2(x)) and then proceeding by inspection or a substitution.
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cos3xdx=cosx(cos2x)dx=cosx(1sin2x)dx=(cosxsin2xcosx)dx \displaystyle \int \cos^3 x dx =\int \cos x (\cos^2 x ) dx = \int \cos x (1-\sin^2 x) dx = \int \left ( \cos x -\sin^2 x\cos x \right ) dx .
Original post by joostan
There's not a nice way to say this, but yeah, what did you try?
I'd recommend writing cos3(x)=cos(x)(1sin2(x))\cos^3(x)=\cos(x)(1-\sin^2(x)) and then proceeding by inspection or a substitution.


This is what I did...why is it wrong?
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Original post by maths_4_life
So I tried to do this integral and I got 16(cos^4x)/sinx
I am guessing I'm very wrong. But I don't know why I'm wrong


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I know you've been taught that you add one to the power, divide by the new power and the divide by the derivative. But that's just plain incorrect. It only applies to integrands of the form (ax+b)n(ax+b)^n. Anything else, that "rule" doesn't hold anymore and you need to be a whole lot more creative. Differentiation is easy (squeezing toothpaste out of the tube) and integration is hard (putting the toothpaste back into the tube), there are no straightforward rules for it. The above users have given a nice way to integrate this function.
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Original post by Zacken
Differentiation is easy (squeezing toothpaste out of the tube) and integration is hard (putting the toothpaste back into the tube)


This analogy is perfect :eek:
Original post by Zacken
I know you've been taught that you add one to the power, divide by the new power and the divide by the derivative. But that's just plain incorrect. It only applies to integrands of the form (ax+b)n(ax+b)^n. Anything else, that "rule" doesn't hold anymore and you need to be a whole lot more creative. Differentiation is easy (squeezing toothpaste out of the tube) and integration is hard (putting the toothpaste back into the tube), there are no straightforward rules for it. The above users have given a nice way to integrate this function.


Ohhhh thanks for that I thought the rule always applied. Hopefully I won't make the same mistake in future. The methods above do make sense I just wanted to see what was wrong with mine.


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Original post by Zacken
I know you've been taught that you add one to the power, divide by the new power and the divide by the derivative. But that's just plain incorrect. It only applies to integrands of the form (ax+b)n(ax+b)^n. Anything else, that "rule" doesn't hold anymore and you need to be a whole lot more creative. Differentiation is easy (squeezing toothpaste out of the tube) and integration is hard (putting the toothpaste back into the tube), there are no straightforward rules for it. The above users have given a nice way to integrate this function.


OP not attacking you in any way, don't worry. :smile:

But I must say I feel like C4 int is taught so badly. This chapter is so much understanding and so little method compared to a lot of the maths at A level. I've seen quite a few teachers just show their students the methods (like the rote way you've described, Zain) neglecting to give equal attention to when/(even why) each will work
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Original post by maths_4_life
This is what I did...why is it wrong?
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I hope you can read it


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Original post by maths_4_life
This is what I did...why is it wrong?
ImageUploadedByStudent Room1459283296.734679.jpg
I hope you can read it


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Because:
16cos4(x)=64cos3(x)sin(x) dx⇏16cos4(x)sin(x)=64cos3(x) dx-16\cos^4(x)=\displaystyle\int -64\cos^3(x)\sin(x) \ dx \not\Rightarrow-16 \dfrac{\cos^4(x)}{\sin(x)} = \displaystyle \int -64\cos^3(x) \ dx.
The sin(x)\sin(x) is a function of xx so you can't pull it out of the integral like that.
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Original post by Zacken
I know you've been taught that you add one to the power, divide by the new power and the divide by the derivative. But that's just plain incorrect. It only applies to integrands of the form (ax+b)n(ax+b)^n. Anything else, that "rule" doesn't hold anymore and you need to be a whole lot more creative. Differentiation is easy (squeezing toothpaste out of the tube) and integration is hard (putting the toothpaste back into the tube), there are no straightforward rules for it. The above users have given a nice way to integrate this function.


Are you seriously only an a level student? You're a genius oh my god. I have no hope


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Original post by joostan
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By the way, you only need to use \displaystyle once in a set of LaTeX\LaTeX tags and it'll apply over the entire thing. :-)
Original post by maths_4_life
Are you seriously only an a level student? You're a genius oh my god.


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Ikr?
Original post by Student403
OP not attacking you in any way, don't worry. :smile:

But I must say I feel like C4 int is taught so badly. This chapter is so much understanding and so little method compared to a lot of the maths at A level. I've seen quite a few teachers just show their students the methods (like the rote way you've described, Zain) neglecting to give equal attention to when/(even why) each will work


Yea it's really frustrating. I want to know why things work for a start but I think the teachers can't even explain it. Also it hardly makes them look good because if I hadn't asked you guys/tried this question I could have got something like this wrong in an exam.


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Reply 13
Original post by maths_4_life
Are you seriously only an a level student?


:yes:

You're a genius oh my god. I have no hope


Flattering but very untrue. :lol:

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Original post by maths_4_life
Yea it's really frustrating. I want to know why things work for a start but I think the teachers can't even explain it. Also it hardly makes them look good because if I hadn't asked you guys/tried this question I could have got something like this wrong in an exam.


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That's the key though. You asked and that makes you a really good learner. So keep using TSR (maths forum - stay away from chat :afraid:) and you'll be fine! :awesome:
Original post by Zacken
By the way, you only need to use \displaystyle once in a set of LaTeX\LaTeX tags and it'll apply over the entire thing. :-)


Yes, I was having something of a mare as maybe you saw, was trying to find the error, so had split it up into two blocks of TeX, of course it was an excess bracket as usual -_-
Original post by Student403
OP not attacking you in any way, don't worry. :smile:

But I must say I feel like C4 int is taught so badly. This chapter is so much understanding and so little method compared to a lot of the maths at A level. I've seen quite a few teachers just show their students the methods (like the rote way you've described, Zain) neglecting to give equal attention to when/(even why) each will work


Why can't you? Thank you though


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Original post by Student403
OP not attacking you in any way, don't worry. :smile:

But I must say I feel like C4 int is taught so badly. This chapter is so much understanding and so little method compared to a lot of the maths at A level. I've seen quite a few teachers just show their students the methods (like the rote way you've described, Zain) neglecting to give equal attention to when/(even why) each will work


Sorry wrong person


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Original post by joostan
Because:
16cos4(x)=64cos3(x)sin(x) dx⇏16cos4(x)sin(x)=64cos3(x) dx-16\cos^4(x)=\displaystyle\int -64\cos^3(x)\sin(x) \ dx \not\Rightarrow-16 \dfrac{\cos^4(x)}{\sin(x)} = \displaystyle \int -64\cos^3(x) \ dx.
The sin(x)\sin(x) is a function of xx so you can't pull it out of the integral like that.


Why can't you? Thanks though


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Reply 19
Original post by joostan
Yes, I was having something of a mare as maybe you saw, was trying to find the error, so had split it up into two blocks of TeX, of course it was an excess bracket as usual -_-


That and accidentally using a square bracket instead of a curly one... seriously TeX, seriously?

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