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Original post by similarBlank
And what is the difference between left wing and far left?
In terms of economics policy, Left wingers support more government intervention on the Economy than Right wingers. The more left wing someone is, the more control they believe the state should have over the economy, so someone who is far left may believe in Communism. Traditionally (I.e. pre-Thatcher Britain), Left wing ideologies, like Socialism, represented the average blue collar worker but in modern times, it is generally younger people who haven't worked yet who are left wing. Good left wing ideas include Welfare, the NHS and governmental investment in businesses but if a country is too far left wing, economic competition is slowed due to too much state intervention, so most highly developed countries use both Left wing ideas and Right wing ideas
Original post by kieran12321LFC
In terms of economics policy, Left wingers support more government intervention on the Economy than Right wingers. The more left wing someone is, the more control they believe the state should have over the economy, so someone who is far left may believe in Communism. Traditionally (I.e. pre-Thatcher Britain), Left wing ideologies, like Socialism, represented the average blue collar worker but in modern times, it is generally younger people who haven't worked yet who are left wing. Good left wing ideas include Welfare, the NHS and governmental investment in businesses but if a country is too far left wing, economic competition is slowed due to too much state intervention, so most highly developed countries use both Left wing ideas and Right wing ideas
What happens if a country is too far right wing?
generally, left wing = government intervention in the market of society, e.g. policies of tariffs/protectionism, subsidies, bailouts, minimum wages, paid holiday/parental leave, higher taxes, etc
right wing = the opposite; less government interventions in the economic aspects of a society, so more freedom and privacy of the individual, more property ownership rights, less collectivism, etc
right wing = the opposite; less government interventions in the economic aspects of a society, so more freedom and privacy of the individual, more property ownership rights, less collectivism, etc
Original post by similarBlank
What happens if a country is too far right wing?
This would result in a strong middle class and on average a rich country but also areas of near extreme poverty because there is little support for the poor
I find the left (and far left) to be more accepting of people and especially the likes of minority groups like Muslims. They actually respect Islam and accept it into society instead of the right who try to push it out. Only the left can see the beauty in things where it is not so obvious
Is Liberalism exclusively left wing and is Conservatism exclusively right wing?
Original post by similarBlank
Is Liberalism exclusively left wing and is Conservatism exclusively right wing?
No, not if you regard left-right wingism to be a measure of state economic policy
Original post by balanced
left wing- A positive role for the state, intervene in markets, potentially nationalise things eg railways, high taxes (esp on wealthy)
Right wing-Small involvement of the government, do not intervene in markets, emphasis on personal freedom, low taxes
Right wing-Small involvement of the government, do not intervene in markets, emphasis on personal freedom, low taxes
You're not a politician, you're an economist at heart
Original post by similarBlank
Is Liberalism exclusively left wing and is Conservatism exclusively right wing?
Like most things, its tricky.
The problem is that there is two systems, economic right and left and social right and left.
You could be a hardened communist (far economic left) but be very socially conservative (social right).
Original post by similarBlank
Is Liberalism exclusively left wing and is Conservatism exclusively right wing?
no - a "conservative" is somebody who is both right wing and authoritarian. if you are right wing and libertarian, you aren't conservative. equally, a "liberal" is generally somebody who is left wing and libertarian~, so if you were left wing and authoritarian, you wouldn't be a liberal
Original post by kieran12321LFC
No, not if you regard left-right wingism to be a measure of state economic policy
Ah.
What is Liberalism-Consdervative considered to be a measure of then?
Also, why is it left and right wing seem to have a set of stereotypes that have nothing to do with their economic policies? (i.e. A typical Liberal considering all right wingers to be racist and all left wingers to be absolutely morally, economically, politically and, in just about everything, correct in what they think. This example came to mind as its one that Oliver above seems to enforce....) (Also, I kind of made a stereotype in a stereotype then. I made the stereotype about liberals making the stereotype about left and right wingers. :P)
Original post by AlmightyJesus
no - a "conservative" is somebody who is both right wing and authoritarian. if you are right wing and libertarian, you aren't conservative. equally, a "liberal" is generally somebody who is left wing and libertarian~, so if you were left wing and authoritarian, you wouldn't be a liberal
That's interesting because I rather considered libertarianism and liberalism to be a seperate thing altogether, with Libertarians focusing on Liberty and liberalism focusing on equality?
Original post by similarBlank
That's interesting because I rather considered libertarianism and liberalism to be a seperate thing altogether, with Libertarians focusing on Liberty and liberalism focusing on equality?
liberals are those that care about economic equality and civil liberty (roughly speaking), while libertarians care about economic and civil liberty - so between liberals and libertarians, it's only economics where they disagree, generally, although they tend to disagree on certain things not relating to either of those things
Original post by similarBlank
Ah.
What is Liberalism-Consdervative considered to be a measure of then?
Also, why is it left and right wing seem to have a set of stereotypes that have nothing to do with their economic policies? (i.e. A typical Liberal considering all right wingers to be racist and all left wingers to be absolutely morally, economically, politically and, in just about everything, correct in what they think. This example came to mind as its one that Oliver above seems to enforce....) (Also, I kind of made a stereotype in a stereotype then. I made the stereotype about liberals making the stereotype about left and right wingers. :P)
What is Liberalism-Consdervative considered to be a measure of then?
Also, why is it left and right wing seem to have a set of stereotypes that have nothing to do with their economic policies? (i.e. A typical Liberal considering all right wingers to be racist and all left wingers to be absolutely morally, economically, politically and, in just about everything, correct in what they think. This example came to mind as its one that Oliver above seems to enforce....) (Also, I kind of made a stereotype in a stereotype then. I made the stereotype about liberals making the stereotype about left and right wingers. :P)
Liberalism-Authoritarianism is a measurement of a state's social policy i.e. how strict the country is. For example, in a country considered liberal you can insult the government and not be arrested. Typically, modern left wingers are quite liberal and modern right wingers are conservative, but this isn't always the case at all. Traditionally, left wing voters in the UK where usually either centrist or authoritarian on social policy, it's a fairly recent phenomenon with left wing people being associated with liberalism. Personally, My views are similar to those of Clement Atlee, so I think that we should still have a free market but with a strong Welfare blanket and I'm also moderate in terms of social policy
Left-wing politics support social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality. [1][2][3][4]They typically involve concern for those in society whom they perceive as disadvantaged relative to others and a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.[3]
The political terms Left and Right were coined during the French Revolution (1789–1799), referring to the seating arrangement in the Estates General: those who sat on the left generally opposed the monarchy and supported the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization,[5] while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime. Use of the term "Left" became more prominent after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 when it was applied to the "Independents".[6] The word "wing" was appended to Left and Right in the late 19th century, usually with disparaging intent, and "left-wing" was applied to those who were unorthodox in their religious or political views.
The term was later applied to a number of movements, especially republicanism during the French Revolution in the 18th century, followed by socialism,[7] communism, anarchism, and social democracy in the 19th and 20th centuries.[8] Since then, the term left-wing has been applied to a broad range of movements[9] including civil rights movements, feminist movements, anti-war movements, and environmental movements,[10][11] as well as a wide range of parties.[12][13][14] The term left wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".[15]According to author Barry Clark, "Leftists [...] claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated."[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
Ignore the people that just equate left wing to statism. It isn't as simple as that. Fascism is very statist for example.
The political terms Left and Right were coined during the French Revolution (1789–1799), referring to the seating arrangement in the Estates General: those who sat on the left generally opposed the monarchy and supported the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization,[5] while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime. Use of the term "Left" became more prominent after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 when it was applied to the "Independents".[6] The word "wing" was appended to Left and Right in the late 19th century, usually with disparaging intent, and "left-wing" was applied to those who were unorthodox in their religious or political views.
The term was later applied to a number of movements, especially republicanism during the French Revolution in the 18th century, followed by socialism,[7] communism, anarchism, and social democracy in the 19th and 20th centuries.[8] Since then, the term left-wing has been applied to a broad range of movements[9] including civil rights movements, feminist movements, anti-war movements, and environmental movements,[10][11] as well as a wide range of parties.[12][13][14] The term left wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".[15]According to author Barry Clark, "Leftists [...] claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated."[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
Ignore the people that just equate left wing to statism. It isn't as simple as that. Fascism is very statist for example.
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Depends what scale of left and right wing you're looking at because in some cases you're looking at economics and typically it is about state intervention and funding of services such as the NHS instead of private healthcare, or it can be about ethics wherein it is more about progressiveness vs traditionalism.
There is the political compass test that splits the two with left and right wing being about ethics and authoritarian vs libertarian being about state intervention. It's an interesting quiz but I don't know how accurate it is, I agreed with its assessment of me being moderately left wing and moderately libertarian but it also shows were figures such as Hitler would appear on it (extremely authoritarian but only very slightly right wing), without seeing "hitlers" answers I don't know if that's right but it is interesting nonetheless.
There is the political compass test that splits the two with left and right wing being about ethics and authoritarian vs libertarian being about state intervention. It's an interesting quiz but I don't know how accurate it is, I agreed with its assessment of me being moderately left wing and moderately libertarian but it also shows were figures such as Hitler would appear on it (extremely authoritarian but only very slightly right wing), without seeing "hitlers" answers I don't know if that's right but it is interesting nonetheless.
Original post by similarBlank
Is Liberalism exclusively left wing and is Conservatism exclusively right wing?
Nope, liberal and authoritiarian are different scales to left and right-wing
For example:
Facism = Right wing authoritarians
Communism = Left wing authoritarian
Libertarian = right wing liberal
Liberalism = left wing liberal
you can be liberal or authoritarian depending on how harshly or at all you intend to force your ideals
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