Islamists celebrate murder of Ahmadi Muslim Brit who wished Christians Happy Easter

A threat? Grow up? I meant that while there are 0 protections in law for Muslims or Islam, as the Muslim population grows and people become progressively left wing, there will be a mandate for protections for Muslims and Islam.

The difference then compared to now is left wing politics was not a thing then. Now there are millions of those on the left who recognise the suffering of Muslims on a daily basis. I'd bet my life they would stand with Muslims over racists and fascists

I thought Muslims aren't allowed to judge who is a Muslim and who isn't.

A growth in the Muslim population will result in a stronger left wing? I think quite the opposite. Firstly, the growth in the Muslim population seems to have led to a growth in the far right across Europe. Secondly, extreme interpretations of Islam seems to be growing, and thus any growth in the Muslim population will ultimately mean a growth in such extreme interpretations, which will result in the weakening of the left as homophobic, anti-Ahmadi sentiments etc.. grow.

A growth in the Muslim population will result in a stronger left wing? I think quite the opposite. Firstly, the growth in the Muslim population seems to have led to a growth in the far right across Europe. Secondly, extreme interpretations of Islam seems to be growing, and thus any growth in the Muslim population will ultimately mean a growth in such extreme interpretations, which will result in the weakening of the left as homophobic, anti-Ahmadi sentiments etc.. grow.

A growth in the Muslim population will result in a stronger left wing? I think quite the opposite. Firstly, the growth in the Muslim population seems to have led to a growth in the far right across Europe. Secondly, extreme interpretations of Islam seems to be growing, and thus any growth in the Muslim population will ultimately mean a growth in such extreme interpretations, which will result in the weakening of the left as homophobic, anti-Ahmadi sentiments etc.. grow.

The term backward Muslim is incorrect as my views do not contradict Islam so I cannot be a backward Muslim, you can consider me a backward human from your perspective, but to call me a backward Muslim when my views correspond with the teachings of Islam is just incorrect

To prove that they are not Muslims, the creed of Islam states that there is no God but Allah and that the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is his final messenger. Every Muslim must hold this belief to be a Muslim. The Ahmadis however believe that there was another prophet who came later, the founder of this sect, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad al-Qadiani, which contradicts the belief that Muhammad (PBUH) is the final messenger, which automatically takes Ahmadis out of Islam. There's other factors as well such as attributing human characteristics to Allah which is shirk which also takes a person out of Islam, that Ahmadis practice. In fact, I urge you to read this to learn more : islamqa.info/en/4060

Well it appears that there is a growing polarisation in the Muslim world and Muslim communities in Europe. Where at one end of the spectrum, there's a growing religiosity, conservatism and fundamentalism amongst some Muslims and on other the end, there is a also the growth of cultural Muslims, liberal Muslims and apostates. Both feed of each other, Both opposed to each other, with quite a number of the former seeking for the punishment of the latter, via fines, flogging, ostracization, imprisonment and/or death.

(I've somewhat witness this trend amongst my own Muslim community)

"...Sami Zubaida, a scholar at London’s Birkbeck College, speaks of increasing polarisation, with “growing religiosity at one end of the spectrum and growing atheism and secularism at the other...”

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21567059-ex-muslim-atheists-are-becoming-more-outspoken-tolerance-still-rare-no-god-not

Yeah I don't understand what the problem is. The Prophet and the Imams that followed him all respected other religions. Imam Ali (a.s.) - successor to the prophet - was loved by people of all religions. "Our enemies are not the Jews or the Christians, our enemy is our own ignorance". He prayed in the Church, and he loved all the people regardless of their religion, he respected them. To him they were all human beings, all equal, he did not see them as disbelievers.

As a kid I was raised to be just like him and respect all these people, treat them as fellow human beings. I get to highschool and there's kids telling me I'm not Muslim. There's kids that regard those who do not believe in a religion or do not believe in Islam even as disgusting, as less than human. They speak of them as if they are worth less than themselves.

Regardless of that it's a ****ing holiday and a freaking Easter egg like how are people so butthurt. What is it? Is the Easter egg gonna weaken your faith? Is appreciating and respecting the culture of those around you going to hurt your reputation? Entitled *****.

first of all i didn't refer to calling them extremists, i was talking about calling them non-muslims, you can be a muslim and an extremist. secondly, in answer to your question, i wasn't talking about what is worse, i merely stated that celebrating someone's death does not necessarily take you out of islam and neither does extremism, extremism and actions such as celebrating an innocent man's death are forbidden and looked down upon in islam, but these action do not take you out of the fold of islam. however, wrongly declaring that a muslim is a non muslim without sufficent proof takes the individual putting forward the accusations out of the fold of islam

unfortuantly theres fanatics out there that are so paranoid about their own faith and its fragility, they cannot accept any open minded thought, let alone good natured interaction with people with other faiths . this sort of mentality and dogma brings out the wost in people, and leads to tragedies like htis

He seems to think the left will be on the side of Islam

He is sorely mistaken

He is not, the left and Islam are quite compatible. That is to say many of, for example, the Baath party in Iraq were open communists and still fundamentality theocratic. After the fall of Sadaam many of them quite happily joined in with ISIS.

Left wing politicking is about big expansive government that encroaches on every aspect of a society, controlling it. Islam has the same goal.

They are a surprisingly perfect fit, as far as these things go.

1. They do consider him Mirza Ghulam as a prophet, but they do not consider him the seal of all prophets or the final messenger.

2. They do accept the Shahadah, not sure where you're getting this from.

3. Once again, Muslims display how they know less about their own religion than the mushrikun themselves.

I urge you to read it up yourself because Ahmadis believe that their founder carried on Islamic teachings- he wasn't a prophet.

Yeah I don't understand what the problem is. The Prophet and the Imams that followed him all respected other religions. Imam Ali (a.s.) - successor to the prophet - was loved by people of all religions. "Our enemies are not the Jews or the Christians, our enemy is our own ignorance". He prayed in the Church, and he loved all the people regardless of their religion, he respected them. To him they were all human beings, all equal, he did not see them as disbelievers.

As a kid I was raised to be just like him and respect all these people, treat them as fellow human beings. I get to highschool and there's kids telling me I'm not Muslim. There's kids that regard those who do not believe in a religion or do not believe in Islam even as disgusting, as less than human. They speak of them as if they are worth less than themselves.

Regardless of that it's a ****ing holiday and a freaking Easter egg like how are people so butthurt. What is it? Is the Easter egg gonna weaken your faith? Is appreciating and respecting the culture of those around you going to hurt your reputation? Entitled *****.

Guru Nanak also incorporated tonnes of islamic teachings in his religion, should we then also consider Sikhs to be Muslim?

Moslems often post here claiming that everyone is born a Moslem. Surely, if a Sikh fulfils the basic beliefs and practices (a low hurdle, really) of being a Moslem he is a Moslem?

Mohammed apparently had words to say on the matter, and I'm surprised to hear so many people contradicting what he said. Presumably you understand you will be interrogated very fully on the matter in the afterlife.