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Original post by 999tigger
Its all very Daily Mail and Jeremy Kyle this. You do realise benefits for future children will only extend to two kids. You cnat really punish the current kids. Its going to turn into one of those throw them onto the street threads again.
Some people shouldn't just have 7+ kids if they can't afford it. The tax payer has to pay for their benefits till the age of 16 then has to pay for their school , Health care and even they might repeat the cycle and have kids at 16 all while not contributing anything worthwhile to humanity all they'll do is just consume
Original post by _icecream
Some people shouldn't just have 7+ kids if they can't afford it. The tax payer has to pay for their benefits till the age of 16 then has to pay for their school , Health care and even they might repeat the cycle and have kids at 16 all while not contributing anything worthwhile to humanity all they'll do is just consume
You are just frothing. The absolute majority know its irresponsible, but you can hardly take it out on the kids. Sot the system out and wait till the changes kick in.
The actual amount in benefits is peanuts compared to the cost of these kids going into care or jail.
Original post by _icecream
I live in an area with a high number of people claiming benefits.And I'm talking about those who have chosen to have multiple children whilst on benefits and yet still manage to go on multiple foreign holidays a year. They have multiple cars, go on nice holidays and have the latest Iphones. They have like 6+ kids so if they could afford all those stuff on benefits then surely they are getting paid too much the benefits should be reduced to the bare minimum needed for survival.
The tax payer shouldn't fund them so they can splash their cash on a 5* hotel in Dubai.
And please don't start on the £70 dole money a week that's just for people who don't have kids. However, pop out some kids and you'll find that you'll be given a brand new house, Child benefits, Child tax credits, not expected to sign on and a maternity grand this country has gone mad
No wonder the whole of Eastern Europe are here and why they generally have a high birth rate they are breeding like rabits
The tax payer shouldn't fund them so they can splash their cash on a 5* hotel in Dubai.
And please don't start on the £70 dole money a week that's just for people who don't have kids. However, pop out some kids and you'll find that you'll be given a brand new house, Child benefits, Child tax credits, not expected to sign on and a maternity grand this country has gone mad
No wonder the whole of Eastern Europe are here and why they generally have a high birth rate they are breeding like rabits
I don't believe you.
I was raised by a single mum on benefits and the only holidays we have ever been on is a holiday to Spain just before my 2nd birthday, organised by the bed and breakfast which was our home at the time, and a holiday to Kent to visit my grandparents (we stayed in their council bungalow during that holiday). It's definitely not the norm. My mum has never smoked or drunk alcohol, and she hasn't had a social life of her own so she didn't spend any money on herself, but she did always make sure we were well fed with food that had identifiable ingredients (if we had fish fingers they were the full fillet ones, not the minced fish/bones type, and we always had veg and fruit). Managing a benefits income is a lot like managing any other income - you prioritise certain things and other things have to fall by the wayside. People who are saving enough to go on exotic holidays, alongside presumably clothing themselves, feeding themselves, and furnishing their home, must be scrimping somewhere. These days it's usually the food that gets scrimped on, because of all the cheap food available in supermarkets now. There are also people who get their furniture from other people's back yards/skips, which will probably account for some of the savings they're making.
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by TheThugSlug
I don't believe you.
It's true after years and years of scrounging from the tax payer they obviously have saved up to go on holidays to Dubai and Disney land
Original post by _icecream
It's true after years and years of scrounging from the tax payer they obviously have saved up to go on holidays to Dubai and Disney land
Or you are full of
I think it's the second one
Original post by _icecream
In my opinion their kids are well fed, I just think the state are giving out too much to benefits families
Original post by _icecream
...they should get sterilized problem solved
Original post by _icecream
I just don't understand why poor people have kids why bring kids into the world when you know they'll just suffer same with the refugees all I could see on TV is just little kids under 2 all malnutrition it breaks my heart
Sorry but I find this funny.
Original post by Ambitious1999
Don't believe the bull you see on those benefits estate program's on channel 4 and 5 or in the daily mail, there right wing Tory propaganda to support benefit cuts, harsher sanctions and cruel benefit reforms.
The truth is how can anyone afford to eat on £70 a week JSA benefit let alone afford a holiday? Not to mention the hoops people have jump through to get their measly £70 dole. Few benefit claimants make it beyond 6 months without getting a 3 month sanction for some petty reason, because of sanction targets. Yes they will even threaten to sanction people who ask to cancel a Jobcentre appointment because they've a job interview!
Add to that bedroom tax, Housing benefit cap which means JSA has to pay rent because the HB may not be enough to pay extortionate rents!
The reality of benefits is not holidays, luxury cars huge plasma screen TVs like you see on those stupid benefits program's on c4 and 5. The reality is food banks, payday loans, debt, pawn shops, starvation, child poverty and homelessness. Except that's never shown.
you see on those benefits estate program's on channel 4 and 5 or in the daily mail, there right wing Tory propaganda to support benefit cuts, harsher sanctions and cruel benefit reforms.The truth is how can anyone afford to eat on £70 a week JSA benefit let alone afford a holiday? Not to mention the hoops people have jump through to get their measly £70 dole. Few benefit claimants make it beyond 6 months without getting a 3 month sanction for some petty reason, because of sanction targets. Yes they will even threaten to sanction people who ask to cancel a Jobcentre appointment because they've a job interview!
Add to that bedroom tax, Housing benefit cap which means JSA has to pay rent because the HB may not be enough to pay extortionate rents!
The reality of benefits is not holidays, luxury cars huge plasma screen TVs like you see on those stupid benefits program's on c4 and 5. The reality is food banks, payday loans, debt, pawn shops, starvation, child poverty and homelessness. Except that's never shown.
Besides it is entirely possible to have had all of those things before you lost your job. "Huge plasma screen TVs" can be bought used for around £100. Not masses of money for the average person
From what I have seen the benefit system has issues because there are some young people are really suffering as it is not a lot and really trying to work, while others seem to see the benefit system as free money for life.
I understand this too as my parents (especially my Dad) has an excellent salary. However 20 years ago this was not the case. I used to be really happy with my Christmas presents as we claimed no benefits and my parents both worked hard for the money they got. Then I would be sad and annoyed when I went back to school when my friends got Nike trainers, playstations, new bikes, etc when they apparently couldn't afford dinner and had free school dinners! Even now this doesn't makes how you can afford this but not £2.20 for dinner every day!
Yes, I know it probably due to their budgetting but if they can afford all of this (budgetting or not) while unemployed it is clearly too much! The idea of unemployment benenfit is just to tire you over until you find a new job. It seems that people seem to have this idea this means just don't need a job. I wish there were some way that we take that excess money and give to those on benefits who really do need it.
The issue I see is how do you assess who needs it and how much. Take disability benefits, who really can work and who can't. It is interesting that somebody said the media focus on those who don't need benefits but still have them when there so many who do need them. Yes, this is very true. I just thought it was interesting because I have seen it the other way round too.
When the government cut disability benefits I am sure that many people who needed them did miss out. However I completely understand this move due to an acquaintance of mine. She claims disability benefits for being depressed. She was complaining that her new car was late. It is like she was oblivious to the fact that we she was talking to all students and workers in low paid jobs who worked hard to make ends meet and could never afford a new car when she got one for free. We were shocked and insulted by her comments seeing how she didn't work and taxes paid for this car she was complaining about. Especially as it is a people carrier and she is single.
I am not a doctor but I don't think she is unemployed because she is depressed but I think she is depressed because she is unemployed. She was the daughter of the coach for a sports team I am part of. When she is around the sport she is a lot better. I am sure she is depressed as she in her early 40s divorced with no friends and no job and nothing to do but annoy her Mum.
[I say this in last tense as she is no longer the coach. The team made her choose the team or her daughter (long story) and she chose her daughter].
Anyway, I think the main issue in our society is we are now born in a world of expectation and entitlement. We don't feel we need to work for something we should have the right to it anyway.
An example of this was an elderly guy I git chatting to in the pub one day. It was at the time the room tax had just been introduced. He was telling me how the government was taking his house from him. Only later in the story I found it was because he was refusing to pay for his 3 extra bedrooms. He lived in a 4 bed council house with just his wife. What annoyed me he kept calling it 'his house'. Well technically it wasn't. I was more annoyed as at the time I had friends who with a family stuck in a small 2 bed council flat and needed more space while he has a 4 bed house for 2 people.
Yes this would be unfair if he had no options but they would still find housing and he could pay for the rooms. Throughout the years he must have had the option of buying the house from the government (like many people I know), then he could call it his. However it is idea of just feeling you are entitled to everything for free I dislike.
When it comes to unemployment benefit I think it should be increased to begin with and then slowly decreased over time until a just livable rate and remain there. It must be slightly lower than the minimum wage as who will work all day for minimum wage if they can get more by staying at home.
After 6 months they should either take tax-free part time work or if not volunteering. If they refuse then they should have their unemployment benefit cut off as they clearly have no intention of finding a job.
This is a system used in the Channel Islands and it seems to work. A friend of mine from Jersey left college at 18 and couldn't get a job. After 6 months he had to do volunteering in order to claim his benefits. With this he got a year's work experience (another issue with being unemployed and causes a vicious circle). And in fact a year later that same company took him on full time as a paid employee.
Woah I am so sorry this has been so long. I had a lot to say on the subject too.
I understand this too as my parents (especially my Dad) has an excellent salary. However 20 years ago this was not the case. I used to be really happy with my Christmas presents as we claimed no benefits and my parents both worked hard for the money they got. Then I would be sad and annoyed when I went back to school when my friends got Nike trainers, playstations, new bikes, etc when they apparently couldn't afford dinner and had free school dinners! Even now this doesn't makes how you can afford this but not £2.20 for dinner every day!
Yes, I know it probably due to their budgetting but if they can afford all of this (budgetting or not) while unemployed it is clearly too much! The idea of unemployment benenfit is just to tire you over until you find a new job. It seems that people seem to have this idea this means just don't need a job. I wish there were some way that we take that excess money and give to those on benefits who really do need it.
The issue I see is how do you assess who needs it and how much. Take disability benefits, who really can work and who can't. It is interesting that somebody said the media focus on those who don't need benefits but still have them when there so many who do need them. Yes, this is very true. I just thought it was interesting because I have seen it the other way round too.
When the government cut disability benefits I am sure that many people who needed them did miss out. However I completely understand this move due to an acquaintance of mine. She claims disability benefits for being depressed. She was complaining that her new car was late. It is like she was oblivious to the fact that we she was talking to all students and workers in low paid jobs who worked hard to make ends meet and could never afford a new car when she got one for free. We were shocked and insulted by her comments seeing how she didn't work and taxes paid for this car she was complaining about. Especially as it is a people carrier and she is single.
I am not a doctor but I don't think she is unemployed because she is depressed but I think she is depressed because she is unemployed. She was the daughter of the coach for a sports team I am part of. When she is around the sport she is a lot better. I am sure she is depressed as she in her early 40s divorced with no friends and no job and nothing to do but annoy her Mum.
[I say this in last tense as she is no longer the coach. The team made her choose the team or her daughter (long story) and she chose her daughter].
Anyway, I think the main issue in our society is we are now born in a world of expectation and entitlement. We don't feel we need to work for something we should have the right to it anyway.
An example of this was an elderly guy I git chatting to in the pub one day. It was at the time the room tax had just been introduced. He was telling me how the government was taking his house from him. Only later in the story I found it was because he was refusing to pay for his 3 extra bedrooms. He lived in a 4 bed council house with just his wife. What annoyed me he kept calling it 'his house'. Well technically it wasn't. I was more annoyed as at the time I had friends who with a family stuck in a small 2 bed council flat and needed more space while he has a 4 bed house for 2 people.
Yes this would be unfair if he had no options but they would still find housing and he could pay for the rooms. Throughout the years he must have had the option of buying the house from the government (like many people I know), then he could call it his. However it is idea of just feeling you are entitled to everything for free I dislike.
When it comes to unemployment benefit I think it should be increased to begin with and then slowly decreased over time until a just livable rate and remain there. It must be slightly lower than the minimum wage as who will work all day for minimum wage if they can get more by staying at home.
After 6 months they should either take tax-free part time work or if not volunteering. If they refuse then they should have their unemployment benefit cut off as they clearly have no intention of finding a job.
This is a system used in the Channel Islands and it seems to work. A friend of mine from Jersey left college at 18 and couldn't get a job. After 6 months he had to do volunteering in order to claim his benefits. With this he got a year's work experience (another issue with being unemployed and causes a vicious circle). And in fact a year later that same company took him on full time as a paid employee.
Woah I am so sorry this has been so long. I had a lot to say on the subject too.
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by thefatone
i see the dolphins are being put to good use
Don't believe the bulldolphins!!!
Original post by _icecream
So...I know a couple of benefits claiming families and every year they go on nice holidays baring in mind they have no one working in their families....and I'm not talking about the average holiday to Spain these people go on holiday to places like Dubai they even book the most expensive hotels near the sea
Ask them none of us are going to know
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Original post by the bear
they are obviously making successful budgeting decisions.
I remember there was a contest or poll on here recently for the funniest TSR member. I wonder who won it?...Think you definitely should have.
Original post by Lil08
By selling their organs on the black market?
Or cash in hand work
Original post by Tiger Rag
Bacdated benefits, budgeting and savings. Well, that's how I managed anyway.
Still think benefits should be cut after the first child and people should be given food stamps why should able boodied lazy people choose a career of poping out kids every year?
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by Ambitious1999
you see on those benefits estate program's on channel 4 and 5 or in the daily mail, there right wing Tory propaganda to support benefit cuts, harsher sanctions and cruel benefit reforms.The truth is how can anyone afford to eat on £70 a week JSA benefit let alone afford a holiday?
How can anyone afford to eat on £70 a week? Are you completely disconnected from reality?
Not to mention the hoops people have jump through to get their measly £70 dole. Few benefit claimants make it beyond 6 months without getting a 3 month sanction for some petty reason, because of sanction targets.
There are no sanctions targets. People can be reasonable expected to do such straightforward tasks as turn up on time every two weeks to sign-on and to show that you have been making reasonable efforts to look for a job. It is not difficult not to be sanctioned, and your assertion that "few" make it past six months without a very lengthy sanction is just absolute nonsense.
Yes they will even threaten to sanction people who ask to cancel a Jobcentre appointment because they've a job interview!
No they won't. Attending an interview is a legitimate reason for rescheduling a Jobcentre interview. The obvious point however is that you have to keep the Jobcentre informed.
You're confusing tabloid journalism with facts. One of the millions of people the DWP deals with accidentally gets a letter threatening a sanction and suddenly that is being presented as if it is DWP policy. It isn't, it's an understandable mistake in a huge organisation that deals with huge numbers of individuals.
Add to that bedroom tax, Housing benefit cap which means JSA has to pay rent because the HB may not be enough to pay extortionate rents!
Housing benefit for people renting in the private sector has always been capped by the Local Housing Allowance. Shockingly we don't let people on housing benefits rent three bedroom luxury flats in central London with £5,000 rents a month.
The LHA pays for people on housing benefit to rent in the bottom 30 percentile of the value of properties of the appropriate size in their area. That is hardly problematic - and is of course proportionate to the local rental market, so "extortionate rents" aren't really an issue.
Original post by L i b
There are no sanctions targets. People can be reasonable expected to do such straightforward tasks as turn up on time every two weeks to sign-on and to show that you have been making reasonable efforts to look for a job. It is not difficult not to be sanctioned, and your assertion that "few" make it past six months without a very lengthy sanction is just absolute nonsense.
My experiences exactly. As long as I did what I was told, (ie, what was written in my agreement plus attend any appointments and apply for any jobs given to me) I wouldn't get sanctioned. It wasn't that hard.
Original post by _icecream
So...I know a couple of benefits claiming families and every year they go on nice holidays baring in mind they have no one working in their families....and I'm not talking about the average holiday to Spain these people go on holiday to places like Dubai they even book the most expensive hotels near the sea
This is how its possible.
Lets say you have a severe disabled person in your family and they are 25+. They get the following welfare money.
£73.10 Main rate ESA.
£36.20 Support component ESA.
£15.75 Enhanced Disability Premium ESA.
£61.85 Severe Disability Premium ESA or Carers Allowance.
£82.30 High rate care PIP.
£57.45 High rate mobility PIP.
£108.00 15 hours Permitted Work Wage.
Total = £434.65 a week or £22602 a year.
Then add:
Free Bus pass.
Free NHS prescriptions.
Free Council Tax Payments.
Travel money reimbursed from NHS appointments.
£140 Warm Home Discount (Energy Company).
Discount on Water Raters (Water Sure).
Discount on Phone Line & Broadband (BT Basic).
And then add all of this to the Mother of 4+ children who isn't effected by the benefit cap due to having a disabled person in their household.
The single Mother will get about £25,000+ regardless if she works or not.
Its a perfectly legitimate benefit scrounging loop-hole.
A disabled person gets the care they need and a scrounging mum gets to continue being a scrounging mum with the added benefit of Carers Allowance.
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