Feminists Vs Islam (women are disrespected in islam?)

2. [snip] The only result of that ends up being child abuse and pedophilia because of that strong desire never being released. It's happened in both Muslim and Christian communities before you start picking on Christians and saying they are bad. All that's saying is that you are as bad as them.

I am familiar with Jesus claiming to be the Son of God in the bible. But Muslims believe the Bible was distorted.

Haha what are you talking about they don't exist?
The things that have been mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago that have only been able to be proven miracles now due to the recent scientific advancements are miracles.
I do understand that there are obviously Muslims who leave their religion but the reason it's secret has nothing to do with Islam. It is forbidden in Islam to force the religion on someone so all these pressures are social pressures and can't be linked to Islam. A reason that people leave Islam is due to relating cultural/social pressures to the practice of Islam and being ill informed and not educated enough.
And Islam IS the fasted growing religion. Just because u notice a lot of agnostics around you, you can't assume that the fastest growing religion are them without studies.
You are very used to stereotyping and generalising which is a very bad thing and I have also met people who have lost their faith due to generalising too much and judging the religion on the people which is wrong!
There has been no scientific errors in the Quran, I would like you to provide me evidence please from a reliable source. Multiple reliable sources would be helpful. The contradictions you will find are most probably due to ill interpretation and the quotation taken out of context and not understanding it.
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See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another. Quran 71:15

Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance). Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."

So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. Quran 41:9

I meant exactly what I said: they're not real. Whenever I asked for even one so-called "scientific miracle", all I ever got was contrived nonsense. Do you know that there are Christians who claim the same about the Bible?

For starters, how on Earth did Muhammad split the moon? Such a thing would be impossible without a terrible impact on the Earth's debris and the planet's population. Moreover there was astronomers all over the world even back in Muhammad's time and even tribes that worshipped the moon, how did they not notice this split? Why is there no record of this ever happening from non-Islamic sources?

The most reliable source I can use is the Quran, and it mentions things that we know to be untrue now that science has advanced. It claims that there are seven heaven above one another when that isn't the case. There are billions of stars and galaxies, the universe is simply too vast for us to comprehend. The universe does not consist of seven layers.


According to the Quran it took longer (or just as long depending on your interpretation) to create the Earth than the universe and they were created in a period of six days. This is simply impossible.


And there are many, many more. I am not stereotyping and judging Islam by its adherents. I clung to the religion for so long and took consultation in the claim that "Islam is perfect, Muslims are not". I judged the religion entirely by what the scriptures say. Islam is the fastest growing religion, sure but Atheism and Agnosticism are not considered to be religions. If you check out the PEW stats you will see that when it comes to conversions or switching religions, those who are "unaffiliated" have the highest growth percentage.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/

It was also confirmed the the speed at which Islam grows is mainly due to high birthrates so that's not very impressive in itself. If the reason for this growth was conversion then you would be onto something.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/23/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

There are scientific proofs and nothing has been proved wrong.
It doesn't suggest that outside of earth there lies seven heavens on top of each other; why do you assume it is saying heaven is within this universe?
I think where you are wrong is the fact you assume everything that God does follows the laws of this reality. God doesn't follow the laws of physics, for you to suggest that it's impossible to create the earth longer than universe or something along those lines; yes it is impossible for us, creating a earth is impossible for us, creating life is impossible to us but that is only limited to us and Allah has no limitations.

So where are these seven heavens if they are not outside of the Earth? Why is there no evidence of them existing? And why does the Quran mention their creation in relation with the Earth and the stars?

Those who claim that there are scientific miracles are the ones who need to prove that these miracles exist in the Quran. The burden of proof is not on sceptics and non-believers to show that they don't.

It's very convenient to insist that there are scientific miracles, but when something in the Quran contradicts science it is chalked up to God doing as he pleases,

The Quran contains no scientific miracles at all, it's full of scientific inaccuracies. Funny how no non-Muslim scientists are convinced by Quranic "science". Even Muslim apologists have started to abandon the scientific narrative claiming it's an intellectual embarrassment for Muslims.

Provide the inaccuracies. Who says i'm not a scientist xD. People do PhDs in the science within the quran you know?

Provide the inaccuracies. Who says i'm not a scientist xD. People do PhDs in the science within the quran you know?

WBZ144 has already highlighted some and you haven't addressed them. What's the point in even asking for evidence when we both know that you'll just say they aren't there.

Which? What scientific inaccuracies? Saying heaven is above earth?

She mentioned the seven layers point.

But to the point, would you mind providing a scientific miracle that was not known previously and could not have been known by any other means. I believe you also mentioned so-called science being confirmed recently. Would you mind providing the peer-reviewed journals proving this?

Yeah, she said seven layers thinking there were seven layers outside of earth but within this universe. I already cleared that one.

Have you read my other messages about the civilisations which believed in certain theories.
I said recent scientific advancements have lead to a discovery of a theory which was in the quran. Big bang for example. I'm pretty sure you don't need to read a peer-reviewed journal on the theory of big bang right?

Have you read my other messages about the civilisations which believed in certain theories.
I said recent scientific advancements have lead to a discovery of a theory which was in the quran. Big bang for example. I'm pretty sure you don't need to read a peer-reviewed journal on the theory of big bang right?

No I think u misunderstand, some of the miracles of the Quran are to do which the scientific facts which were mentioned in the Quran 1400years ago and have only now been discovered true as there have been scientific advancements. The miracle is, how were all these hundreds of scientific mentions correct 1400 years ago if there was no proof, you can't claim it to be chance as every single one is proved correct and there was no civilisation in this time to have all correct beliefs. For example: some may believed the earth to be round but the moon to be its own source of light and or some may think the earth is flat but orbited around the sun, there wasn't a single civilisations with all correct beliefs but the revelation of the Quran at that time came about and provided all these "theories" which have all since been proven correct.
That's what we mean by the scientific miracles.
So the point of allah doing as he pleases isn't anything to do with it.

And some of the best scientists and theorists in the world believe in several universes (Steven hawkwings) there is no proof of these and no way to travel to another. The evidence isn't there but it is still a scientific theory believed by many.

I don't think that it's by chance or coincidence because I have yet to come across a real scientific fact in the Quran that could not have been known 1400 years ago. I have not found verses that describe the universe in a way that is supported by science.

Big bang is not in the Quran... if it was, why couldn't Muslim scholars and astronomers propose it before Kafirs worked it out? Unless its confirmation bias and, for the case of expanding universe, changing the meaning of the word to fit the conclusion...

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