Video footage of real killings - have you watched some? - Page 5

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I guess so, because it's hella disrespectful to the person being killed, and they can't give consent or anything

It's a breach of the Geneva Convention or a persons Human Rights and those watching them are breaching these principles and should be treated accordingly

Reply 81

FRIENDO_11

I used to watch some when I was younger mainly just out of curiosity, seen some drug cartel killings which were pretty brutal and some other stuff. Worse one probably been 3 guys 1 hammer, didn't watch all of it but I remember not wanting to leave the house for a few days after seeing it.

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Reply 82

username2295565

Unfortunately so, a lot of the .webm's of the ISIS Executions are/were posted on /b/
I also remember those times when there was a wave of Cartel killings posted on Facebook.

As someone with Hemophobia, they didn't actually affect me as much as I thought. Then again there is the fact that it's behind a screen, and not in person. I'd expect I'd have a very different reaction in person.

Reply 83

karl pilkington

If anything it helps you see the levels of violence and evil in the world and be more thankful to live in a peaceful and prosperous country.

Reply 84

Serine Soul

I remember watching Saddam Hussein's execution when I was eight.

Reply 85

username1204031

Original post by BaconandSauce

I was once shown one by a work college he didn't explain what it was

If I close my eyes I can still see the man struggling to breath as his throat was cut.

NEVER again

I do think it should be a criminal offense to intentionally watch these

..........Why? There's absolutely no harm done to anybody. The person in the videos is dead. The person watching them might be slightly disturbed for a while but will forget about it.

Millions of people would be thrown in already overcrowded prisons for a completely victimless crime, having their lives ruined and spending billions catching them. There'd be thousands of people who end up accidentally watching them, who then get arrested, have their reputation ruined, have thousands of pounds spent investigating them only for them to be released a few months later and probably kill themselves due to the ordeal they've just been through. The police would have to dedicate a ludicrous amount of resources to enforcing this when they already lack the resources to enforce real crimes that actually harm people. It would be utterly ineffective since these videos are so widespread and legal everywhere else.

Not everything you don't like needs to be illegal.

Reply 86

BaconandSauce

Original post by JordanL_

As I said they should be treated like child porn because they are a breach of either the Geneva convention or Human Rights and those viewing them are guilty of partaking in these breaches.

Reply 87

username1204031

Original post by BaconandSauce

As I said they should be treated like child porn because they are a breach of either the Geneva convention or Human Rights and those viewing them are guilty of partaking in these breaches.

The Geneva Convention applies to countries engaged in war.

How is this a breach of their human rights? And as I said, it's still entirely impractical, unenforceable and would do absolutely nothing to prevent it happening.

Reply 88

BaconandSauce

Original post by JordanL_

And most of the videos of people being murdered are generated in this context.

Re human Rights article 5 clearly states '"No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment",

Having your murder videoed and then distributed for sickos to watch is considered degrading so it is a breach of the persons human right and those watching this are responsible in part for doing the same and should be treated accordingly

And I disagree a few ruined lives of those who watching this barbarity would make others think

As I said it no better than distributing and watching child porn and those watching these are just as bad as those watching child porn.

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Reply 89

KimKallstrom

This guy back in sixth form thought it would be funny to put the infamous Chechclear video on one of the computers in the common room. For those who don't know, it was a young Russian soldier being beheaded by a Chechens with a small knife for refusing to renounce his Christian faith and convert to Islam. It was horrifying.

Here's the Wiki of the solider:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Rodionov

There's also the famous Budd Dwyer video. This guy was a treasurer for the Pennsylvania state council or something. He was being accused of embezzlement and was looking at a prison sentence if found guilty. He called a press conference and - after a speech - shot himself in the head in front of everyone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Budd_Dwyer

As for stuff like cartel/ISIS executions etc, I make a point of avoiding those like a plague. Not to my taste at all.

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Reply 90

Lawliettt

My friends were watching isis beheading videos during maths 2 weeks ago lol. Our maths class is crazy.

But personally, the most disgusting thing I've ever seen was when this guy posted that gotse picture (i dont recommend googling it) in our group chat. I refused to go on the internet for days after that. It's genuinely way more disgusting than any actual gore I've ever seen. I feel sick just thinking about it

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Reply 91

KingBradly

Original post by DiddyDec

Actually there is. In certain corners of the deep web.

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Really? I always thought that was more of a myth. Even so you could hardly compare stuff like the JFK assassination to that.

Original post by DiddyDec

It is pretty gnarly.

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It's weird how its filmed on that nice tracking shot though.

Reply 92

username1204031

Original post by BaconandSauce

And most of the videos of people being murdered are generated in this context.

No, that's not how it works. The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to the actions of civilians, and it certainly doesn't outlaw the watching of videos that you don't like.

Re human Rights article 5 clearly states '"No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment",

So the people producing the video are breaching their human rights, not the people watching it.

Having your murder videoed and then distributed for sickos to watch is considered degrading so it is a breach of the persons human right and those watching this are responsible in part for doing the same and should be treated accordingly

The people watching a video on the internet of somebody getting beheaded are responsible for people getting beheaded? Just a hunch, but I don't think ISIS produce these torture videos for the Youtube ad revenue...

And I disagree a few ruined lives of those who watching this barbarity would make others think

Right. It's perfectly fair and reasonable and proportionate that we ruin thousands of innocent lives to "make others think".

Make them think what, exactly? "Better never click any link on the internet again in case it's an ISIS video and Big Brother decides to ruin my life".

You've also completely ignored the fact that this would be entirely unenforceable, consume insane amounts of resources and would do **** all to stop people watching these videos.

As I said it no better than distributing and watching child porn and those watching these are just as bad as those watching child porn.

It's entirely different.

Reply 93

the bear

i don't mind watching videos of drone strikes on terrorists....

Reply 94

Lawliettt

Original post by BaconandSauce

As I said they should be treated like child porn because they are a breach of either the Geneva convention or Human Rights and those viewing them are guilty of partaking in these breaches.

What laws are broken by watching or viewing a picture of someone dying? Shall we also jail millions (including many political leaders) for viewing the JFK assasination? Or anyone in a courtrooms looking at video evidence of murder?

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Reply 95

Tanqueray91

Yes I have, hasn't really bothered me at all to be honest.

Reply 96

BaconandSauce

Original post by JordanL_

No, that's not how it works. The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to the actions of civilians, and it certainly doesn't outlaw the watching of videos that you don't like.

So the people producing the video are breaching their human rights, not the people watching it.

The people watching a video on the internet of somebody getting beheaded are responsible for people getting beheaded? Just a hunch, but I don't think ISIS produce these torture videos for the Youtube ad revenue...

Right. It's perfectly fair and reasonable and proportionate that we ruin thousands of innocent lives to "make others think".

Make them think what, exactly? "Better never click any link on the internet again in case it's an ISIS video and Big Brother decides to ruin my life".

You've also completely ignored the fact that this would be entirely unenforceable, consume insane amounts of resources and would do **** all to stop people watching these videos.

It's entirely different.

It is regarding the treatment of captives so it does apply in most of these cases

You seem intent on ignoring the laws regarding the ethical treatment of combatants and the human rights of people

as I said if we want to be better we should enforce the laws we create to make us better than them and this means the sickos who distribute and watch this

But as I said it would be enforceable (it's a simple case of breaching the Geneva convention or Human Rights legislation) and a few cases in the press of people lives being ruined because they are exposed as sickos would be a positive and may make the majority of people think perhaps I shouldn't watch this filth.

Reply 97

BaconandSauce

Original post by Lawliettt

Read my posts I have already answered this.

Reply 98

neb789

It's a tough one as some images/video are arguably historical but others are clearly just sadistic stuff :/ guess there has to be some way to judge things

Historical Videos as in I saw a video in university when we were studying the holocaust of men, women and children being herded into a pit by the SS and shot. Not nice to watch but it certainly shapes your opinion.

Sadistic as in a beheading video that came up randomly on the internet and got auto played :frown:

Reply 99

username1204031

Original post by BaconandSauce

It is regarding the treatment of captives so it does apply in most of these cases

You seem intent on ignoring the laws regarding the ethical treatment of combatants and the human rights of people

No, it doesn't apply. You seem intent on punishing people for breaking laws that don't even apply to them.

as I said if we want to be better we should enforce the laws we create to make us better than them and this means the sickos who distribute and watch this

Ah yes, you're so morally superior to everyone watching these videos.

Do you realize that most people watching them are just morbidly curious? You seem to think that they're all perverted psychopaths that get turned on by seeing people beheaded and are actually ******* over all these videos.

If that were the case they would already be breaking the law for viewing extreme pornography. But of course they'd never be charged with that because it's entirely unenforceable in this case.

But as I said it would be enforceable (it's a simple case of breaching the Geneva convention or Human Rights legislation) and a few cases in the press of people lives being ruined because they are exposed as sickos would be a positive and may make the majority of people think perhaps I shouldn't watch this filth.

But they're breaching neither. Even if they were, it still wouldn't be enforceable, BECAUSE THERE IS A LIMITED NUMBER OF ****ING POLICE IN THE COUNTRY AND THEY HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO.

Are you trolling?