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Original post by Howard
But what we don't know is the colour of the policeman pulling the trigger or otherwise causing the death. We're not told. BLM want us to assume they are all white officers but that's not the reality.

When did BLM say that they are solely against solely white officers shooting black people.

They are against police killing full stop.

If you stopped trying to read people's minds and instead and focus on reading people words you will get somewhere.

Again let's run with your argument that some officers were black. It's still meaningless. Racism does not require that the perpetrator of the deed be white.

Black cops are surely capable of internalising and then acting upon the same anti-black prejudices and stereotypes as whites.

The culture of law enforcement encourages a siege mentality among its members, and this mentality often plays out in a blatantly racist fashion, no matter the colour of the person wearing the uniform.

Original post by Howard

Now as every American (of all colors) driver knows that even if you get pulled over for speeding 5mph over the limit, you (1) pull over, (2) turn the ignition off, (3) lower the window and (3) keep your hands visible on the wheel. You are very cautious! You do not put the police in a position where they think they are at risk.

How many cops have been killed by an unarmed citizen ? ZERO.
How many times a year does a police officer get beaten to death ? ZERO.
How many officers in the field are killed each year by violence, 0.5 per state.

There are over 900,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the USA and less than one officer per state meets a violent demise, only 100 officers are killed in the line of duty each year, mostly by vehicle accidents.

The 10 Deadliest Jobs in the USA

1. Fishers and related fishing workers
2. Logging workers
3. Aircraft pilot and flight engineers
4. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
5. Roofers
6. Structural iron and steel workers
7. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
8. Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers
9. Electrical power-line installers and repairers
10. Taxi drivers and chauffeurs

Police Officers don't even make the top ten. So I don't fall for that image of these o, so, brave policemen strapping on their uniform every day and kissing their wives goodbye, not knowing what they'll face.

And how blind are you if you believe that every officer and department is honest, as a matter of fact most are not honest and they always, always protect their own, thats why there are 500 innocent unarmed people murdered in the USA each year by cops and that is only 17% of the department numbers. Most departments do not keep track or statistics of officer involved shootings.

Original post by Howard

So, naturally, if you are stupid enough to follow the example of Lamontez Jones who on 10/20/15 actually aimed a gun at the police you can expect to be shot. It turns out that it was a toy gun but police aren't paid psychics.

So how do you explain the fact that a white man in a place like New Orleans can literally point his weapon directly at not one, not two, but three members of the New Orleans Police Department, and when told to drop his weapon, answer back, “No, you drop your f*cking gun,”

And still remain alive.

How do you explain the fact a white man can shoot a police officer and kill him because he thought the officer (who was executing a no-knock drug raid on his home) might be a burglar, and not face charges, but a black man who does the very same thing in the very same state is charged with multiple felonies,

How do you explain this



How do you explain the fact white folks can parade around with guns (real ones, with actual bullets, unlike the toy possessed by Tamir Rice or the air rifle held by John Crawford) and not be shot,

How do you explain the fact even when whites threaten those officers. Even when they verbally taunt and abuse those officers outside a school. Even when they bring that weapon to a park between the White House and Capitol building, and proceed to issue political threats they remain alive

how do you explain the fact that a white guy can shoot at cops with a BB gun and not be violently beaten or killed for his actions, as happened in USA year.

How do you explain the fact that white guys can shoot up a Walmart in Idaho and be taken into custody without injury. Or point a gun at cops in Pennsylvania and not be killed or injured. Or point a gun at firefighters in Phoenix and not get shot when the cops arrive.

How do you explain the fact a white woman can shoot up a neighborhood and lead cops on a car chase during which she also shoots at them, as happened last ye in USA, and still live to tell the story.
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Original post by Wired_1800
I welcome disagreements and constructive debates. I was educated in sharing views and exchanging ideas. However, when you realize that people are already stuck in their ways and not willing to seek reason, then you must stop.

It is indeed sad that you have been fed a lie that black people don't contribute to society. Nobody is demonizing an entire race. The key point is exposing police brutality.


I was never fed any lies, I don't take anything for face value. But I would say that while both races contribute. Black people contribute less. Comparing high school dropout rates can bring you to that conclusion.
Ok so your agenda has two possible functions.

Either to highlight black victims of police brutality. But now you have to justify why you aren't concerned with white victims of police brutality.

Or to paint white people as the eternal oppressors of black people. In which case you now have to address the fact that black men are 25x more likely to murder than white men.

Which one is it?
Original post by Kvothe the arcane
I'm not entirely sure what #BLM hope to achieve. I've seen a lot of nonsense from the movement.

I think there needs to be police reform. There are too many shootings of unarmed civilians of all ethnicities.

Too many prisons.

The circumstances in which many black people who reside within ghettos live which force them to turn to crime needs to be addressed. As this is what fuels racial profiling. Although the fact they are black is secondary as such disparity in equality in such a rich nature is unacceptable.



I think the #BLM hopes to achieve the reduction of police brutality against black people. I agree that the whole campaign has not be 100% pure. There is no such thing as perfection, you will see bad eggs in every movement, whether it is Gay pride movement, women's rights movement etc.

Yes, there should be a significant police reform or a complete overhaul of the police system. The police has been militarized and the resultant shooting is lack of restraint. This just not about black people. Police shoot white people, hispanics, asians etc. Black people have just gotten fed up with the brutality. It does not make sense that you get to a situation and your first reaction is to start shooting. Is the US now a war-zone?

Yes, there are too many prisons. There is also a rampant unnecessary incarceration of people. Some people have argued that prison sentencing have biased towards the black community.

The racial profiling is terrible. Just because someone lived in a rough neighbour does not mean that the person is a criminal-in-waiting.
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Original post by PrincePaul575858
When did BLM say that they are solely against solely white officers shooting black people.

They are against police killing full stop.

If you stopped trying to read people's minds and instead and focus on reading people words you will get somewhere.

Again let's run with your argument that some officers were black. It's still meaningless. Racism does not require that the perpetrator of the deed be white.

Black cops are surely capable of internalising and then acting upon the same anti-black prejudices and stereotypes as whites.

The culture of law enforcement encourages a siege mentality among its members, and this mentality often plays out in a blatantly racist fashion, no matter the colour of the person wearing the uniform.


How many cops have been killed by an unarmed citizen ? ZERO.
How many times a year does a police officer get beaten to death ? ZERO.
How many officers in the field are killed each year by violence, 0.5 per state.

There are over 900,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the USA and less than one officer per state meets a violent demise, only 100 officers are killed in the line of duty each year, mostly by vehicle accidents.

The 10 Deadliest Jobs in the USA

1. Fishers and related fishing workers
2. Logging workers
3. Aircraft pilot and flight engineers
4. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
5. Roofers
6. Structural iron and steel workers
7. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
8. Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers
9. Electrical power-line installers and repairers
10. Taxi drivers and chauffeurs

Police Officers don't even make the top ten. So I don't fall for that image of these o, so, brave policemen strapping on their uniform every day and kissing their wives goodbye, not knowing what they'll face.

And how blind are you if you believe that every officer and department is honest, as a matter of fact most are not honest and they always, always protect their own, thats why there are 500 innocent unarmed people murdered in the USA each year by cops and that is only 17% of the department numbers. Most departments do not keep track or statistics of officer involved shootings.


So how do you explain the fact that a white man in a place like New Orleans can literally point his weapon directly at not one, not two, but three members of the New Orleans Police Department, and when told to drop his weapon, answer back, “No, you drop your f*cking gun,”

And still remain alive.

How do you explain the fact a white man can shoot a police officer and kill him because he thought the officer (who was executing a no-knock drug raid on his home) might be a burglar, and not face charges, but a black man who does the very same thing in the very same state is charged with multiple felonies,

How do you explain this



How do you explain the fact white folks can parade around with guns (real ones, with actual bullets, unlike the toy possessed by Tamir Rice or the air rifle held by John Crawford) and not be shot,

How do you explain the fact even when whites threaten those officers. Even when they verbally taunt and abuse those officers outside a school. Even when they bring that weapon to a park between the White House and Capitol building, and proceed to issue political threats they remain alive

how do you explain the fact that a white guy can shoot at cops with a BB gun and not be violently beaten or killed for his actions, as happened in USA year.

How do you explain the fact that white guys can shoot up a Walmart in Idaho and be taken into custody without injury. Or point a gun at cops in Pennsylvania and not be killed or injured. Or point a gun at firefighters in Phoenix and not get shot when the cops arrive.

How do you explain the fact a white woman can shoot up a neighborhood and lead cops on a car chase during which she also shoots at them, as happened last ye in USA, and still live to tell the story.


How do I explain it? Frankly, I think that there's a perception that blacks are simply more dangerous and criminally inclined than whites (this isn't without foundation as violent crime statistics right across the board support this) so the police are less likely to grant a black person the benefit of the doubt.
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Original post by Jebedee
I was never fed any lies, I don't take anything for face value. But I would say that while both races contribute. Black people contribute less. Comparing high school dropout rates can bring you to that conclusion.
Ok so your agenda has two possible functions.

Either to highlight black victims of police brutality. But now you have to justify why you aren't concerned with white victims of police brutality.

Or to paint white people as the eternal oppressors of black people. In which case you now have to address the fact that black men are 25x more likely to murder than white men.

Which one is it?


I never said that I am not concerned about white victims of police brutality. You should read my previous posts on this thread to know my full stance. Black lives matter points out the disproportionately high level of police brutality against black people.

Yes, of course, all lives matter. Black lives matter as well. Just because black people decide to campaign for themselves does not mean that they don't care about other people.

When a woman, who got raped, goes to campaign about rape against women, it does not mean that she does not care about men who were raped. All she is saying is that rape against women should be stopped.

Finally, like I previously wrote, the black lives matter movement is about police brutality. I have never written that it is about white police brutality. Also the campaign is against police brutality and not white police brutality.

I don't understand why anytime there is a campaign about black people, it is somehow against white people. The Oscars, where black actors boycotted, was argued that it was against white people. When black basket-ballers boycotted playing for LA Clippers because of their racist owner, some people said that it was against white people. It is not about white people.
Original post by Wired_1800
Black lives matter points out the disproportionately high level of police brutality against black people.


Can you please provide a source for this statement?
Original post by Jebedee
Can you please provide a source for this statement?


You can research it yourself.
Original post by Wired_1800
You can research it yourself.


I did, and I can only find evidence which says the opposite of what you are, like what I posted earlier.
Original post by Howard
How do I explain it? Frankly, I think that there's a perception that blacks are simply more dangerous and criminally inclined than whites (this isn't without foundation as violent crime statistics right across the board support this) so the police are less likely to grant a black person the benefit of the doubt.


Precisely the problem.
BLM are just a group of crap stirrers intent on stoking up racial conflict where not nearly as much existed. They aim to make it so that black people can't be arrested for committing crimes or question the judgments/actions/statements of anybody who happens to be black. They're of the same ilk as poverty pimp crap stirrers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. All they do is act like thugs and perpetuate negative stereotypes of black people. Absolutely nothing they do is helpful in any way, shape or form for a harmonious society, which is why not even most black people support them and only idiotic black people do.
All lives matter
Original post by niceguy95
Well that's crap, though most of the commentators don't know many or have even spoken to black person in real life.


I know this guy who is black and he sits next to me in some lessons and we discuss matters like this, and he agrees with me that black lives matter is a bad campaign and he holds no grudge against whites.
Reply 272
Original post by PrincePaul575858
Bernie Madoff got caught stealing 50 000 000 000 dollars. The fact that you probably have not heard of him is telling.

Can you imagine a black man stealing 50 billion dollars and not heard of him ?

Now, I would like you to show me a single black american embezzler who has stolen by fraud lets say at least 100 million dollars.

More people are killed by cars than by Crocodiles. So according to the stats cars are more dangerous than crocodiles. Really ?

Same with crime, if crime is being discussed it must be done so in it’s social context, not as straight forward numbers by rote. Anyone can look bad if these stats aren’t put into context.

I also notice how you do not even whisper the word organized crime. And yet, from 1920’s up to now, white organized crime was the absolutely biggest crime in the USA and Europe and one of the biggest in the world.

Italian organized crime is exclusive : Napolitan Camorra, Sicilian Cosa Nostra Mafia, Calbrian Ndragheta and Puglian Sacra are all true blue Italian organisations. Same goes with the US Cosa Nostra.

European organized crime in general is white and violent like you could not even imagine. Even women and children are not spared. The murder is the message.

They form a underworld of violent crime that beats street gangs easily in power, prestige and money. Add to that the massive commercial thievery, lone sharking, gambling, numbers, prostitution, porn, labour unions, corruption of polticians, judges, judicial systems in several cities, Hollywood (via Sidney Korshak and his pals), and forgery, robberies, transportation, fashion industry, clothing industry, waste management etc.

It is very funny how you promoting the idea of black criminality somehow forget all of that

How this effects you any other person and their safety?

These real organized crime groups are responsible for the flow of drugs into USA and Europe. They are also players in the financial fraud scene. They smuggle weapons and supply the street criminals with weapons and drugs. And of course, they are the ones who operate together with corrupt officials and politicians. This is why you don't see them in crime stats.

Then, there are the Wall street jugglers who are also criminals and who are the main reason why the average white Americans are in the deep ****, loose their homes, insurances etc. They affect to the security of the white middle class many many times more than any black street mugger or dope smoking gangabanger.

Not that I say that street crime is nothing. It has to be taken seriously too, but one has to remember the causes of it. Also one has to remember that black street gangs can not operate openly in the suburbia where as the white organised criminals live there in peace.

Even worse I'm sure you never been attacked by a black person, never been evicted by a black person. Every bit of pain in your life has a had a white face attached to it

Yet your scared of black people


LOL! Of course I've heard of Bernie Madoff. I don't live in a cave.

I can't show you a single black american embezzler who has stolen by fraud lets say at least 100 million dollars. Blacks don't work in banking and financing or senior management so have less opportunity to commit white collar crime of this sort of magnitude.

More people are killed by cars than by Crocodiles. So according to the stats cars are more dangerous than crocodiles. Really ?

OK. Let me stop you there. I've seen enough from you. I'm sure not getting sucked into a black hole discussion about crocodiles. And I'm not going to discuss the Italian Mafia either. And no. I'm not scared of negroids.
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Original post by SomaliSodomy
lol typical low IQ black getting his news from the MSM. You probably don't even know the difference between Jews and whites.

You know that child sexual abuse is far more common in black "communities"? That's what happens when you don't have real fathers boy.


No need to get touchy oyinbo boy
Reply 274
Original post by Youngmetro
Precisely the problem.


It's a black problem. Not a police problem.

When American negroids stop killing, raping, and mugging at about ten times the rate of white people they will have less of a problem. Less of them will be killed by police officers and fewer of them will find themselves in the big house.
Original post by AperfectBalance
I know this guy who is black and he sits next to me in some lessons and we discuss matters like this, and he agrees with me that black lives matter is a bad campaign and he holds no grudge against whites.


What protesting against police brutality to black people got to do with a grudge against white people? Always playing the race card smh
Original post by Howard
It's a black problem. Not a police problem.

When American negroids stop killing, raping, and mugging at about ten times the rate of white people they will have less of a problem. Less of them will be killed by police officers and fewer of them will find themselves in the big house.


People who talk like this don't exist in real life lol
Original post by niceguy95
What protesting against police brutality to black people got to do with a grudge against white people? Always playing the race card smh




Read the start of the thread, and dont talk about me using the race card. being against police brutality is fine but Black lives matter is not about that now, just like how feminism is not about equality
Original post by AperfectBalance
Read the start of the thread, and dont talk about me using the race card. being against police brutality is fine but Black lives matter is not about that now, just like how feminism is not about equality


Please can you advise the viewers of this thread how black people should address the idea that general public brutality is harsh on black people?

If there was a Supreme Leader of the World Organisation on Black People and she came to you for advice on how to protest and raise awareness on deaths of unarmed black men and women in the hands of police officers; what will be your advice? This is not about white police officers, it is about general police brutality.
Original post by Wired_1800
Please can you advise the viewers of this thread how black people should address the idea that general public brutality is harsh on black people?

If there was a Supreme Leader of the World Organisation on Black People and she came to you for advice on how to protest and raise awareness on deaths of unarmed black men and women in the hands of police officers; what will be your advice? This is not about white police officers, it is about general police brutality.



To protest peacefully, to hold civilized debates and to get good solid facts together

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