White Lives Matter

It was a white person who brought up slavery. If you don't want to talk about slavery then white people should not bring it up. But if you mention it, then you better believe then I'm going to give counter arguments to the usual "Africans sold their own" "Arabs sold them" points that always come up.

The statement by itself is true for most whites: even back in slave days in 1860 fewer than 2% of whites owned slaves. Slaves cost way too much for most people and in half the country it was against the law.

The trouble with the statement is not its truth but how it is used: to cut white people off from history. When you say black people live in the past and need to give the slave thing a rest, you are making the very same argument : History does not matter.

I think the figures for total slavery in the Arab world often quoted are difficult to assess, there is a lot of hype in that area and not so much accurate demographic research.

I said (which you ignored) that there was serious cruelty against slaves in both domains, my argument was that it was industrialised and systematic in the Americas whereas it was less so in the Arab world. I've based that view on years of reading books in the subject, we could go to sources but it will be tedious - suffice to say that in this area I've learned that there is a lot of hot air from Islamophobes on web forums claiming the Arabs were worse when in fact they were probably less oppressive overall, albeit marginally in some cases.

The work to death system I mentioned was chiefly practised in British colonial plantations in places like Trinidad and in the Spanish-designed slave systems of Brazil - in both cases, for more than a century there was a built-in assumption that fresh slaves could always be found cheaply and that it was therefore more profitable to work slaves to death rapidly rather than look after them beyond the bare minimum. The policies evolved in both territories as slave economics changed and the supply of new slaves became more expensive and the crop picking more demanding and specialised.

Lol who abused white people? You should educate yourself on the black lives matter movement. In as much as the gun laws in America allow racist killings to be perpetuated, BLM is aimed more at the police. Are there not black, asian etc police officers? I honestly do not get what you are trying to achieve with this thread but fine, do you.

PS: You should watch the OJ Simpson story and pay special attention to police officer, Mark Fuhrman. Maybe then you would understand the importance of BLM.

There is a reason why there are communities of the descendants of former slaves in the Americas but not in North Africa. Your statements are contradictory, first you say that there is not enough clear information, and then your saying the Arabs treated their slaves better. You are quite simply wrong. You racism is clear for all to see.

the masses don't enjoy computationally generated simulations of events with changed variables.

Well, Arab expansion and slavery of Europeans led to the crusades that saved Europe from extinction.

WHat do we get taught about the Crusades? White people went and attacked the nice arabs look how evil you are feel ashamed.

But they certainly enjoy 'historical what ifs'. The most generous description of couterfactual history you can give, is that it is a recent and controversial trend of historiography that has yet to find mainstream academic acceptance. It certainly isn't considered by most to be an academically rigorous means of historical inquiry.

I have never once been taught to feel shame over the Crusades, and I have a degree in medieval history. As for the Crusades being a response to slavery and saving Europe from extinction? Oh boy. I think this is where this debate ends for me.

The UK has an economy driven by immigrant workers, we need immigration. The moment it becomes a burden, we seize control of our borders and people support people like UKIP that want to shut up our borders and deny visas to non EU citizens.

I hardly call that accepting

Why do people think police brutality is only an issue for black people? According to the American Bureau of Justice, from 2003 to 2006 (most recent available) 1,134 white people were victims of arrest-related deaths in the US compared to 834 blacks (http://www.bjs.gov/content/dcrp/tables/dcst06let3.pdf). Police brutality is not a white vs. black issue, it is a law enforcement vs. civilian issue. I don't claim to know about issues of race in the UK, but I do know quite a bit about these issues in the US. It's not only blacks that are getting harassed, beaten and killed by police - it's everyone across the spectrum of every ethnicity.

Imagine the impact we could make if we all banded together as CITIZENS, regardless of color, and addressed the problem as a united front against law enforcement's ******** ego-driven disregard for human life.

All lives matter, that's the point BLM activists are trying to make in their own ham-fisted way.

Their movement would be better named "Black Lives Matter Too" to represent what they are trying to say

Whites have no right to a homeland

Whites are to been born guilty

But Whites are privileged?

Pure BS. The UK economy is driven by finance and banking, aerospace, pharmaceuticals, services and to a lesser extent petrochemicals, tourism and agriculture.

Why shouldn't a country have the right to control the amount of migrants moving to it, especially when there are considerable and legitimate concerns regarding vital national infrastructure. We need to ensure that only educated and skilled people immigrate here and at the very least need to prevent the inflow of uncivilised barbarians who hold beliefs incompatible with Western Civilisation and culture.