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Original post by Roofas
No, I'm sorry it is you who is displaying a lack of basic comprehension it seems.
"i said dividing the number of migrants by the total population will also equal to 0.5%, except you dont have the mental capacity to understand why that is the case"
What does this mean? What impact does this have on any statistic I have calculated? How is this relevant in any other way besides the fact that it is close to the percentage of 0.473 I worked out regarding an entirely different set of variables and factors?
I'm afraid to tell you that you've confused entirely separate factors here. I don't think you're being so stubborn on purpose I think you just legitimately can't comprehend it. I broke down my equations quite clearly so you could understand but you've misunderstood them in three separate posts now.
"i said dividing the number of migrants by the total population will also equal to 0.5%, except you dont have the mental capacity to understand why that is the case"
What does this mean? What impact does this have on any statistic I have calculated? How is this relevant in any other way besides the fact that it is close to the percentage of 0.473 I worked out regarding an entirely different set of variables and factors?
I'm afraid to tell you that you've confused entirely separate factors here. I don't think you're being so stubborn on purpose I think you just legitimately can't comprehend it. I broke down my equations quite clearly so you could understand but you've misunderstood them in three separate posts now.
They are different yes, but YOU can't comprehend the link. GDP per capita is total GDP divided by population. So the two figures are equally proportional as GDP per capita equates to 1 person's total average wealth. You're the one that simply cant comprehend the obvious link here.
The only conclusion here is that your maths is so poor you cant understand proportionality and ratio.
You're so stupid you can't even see you're stupid, you even think you're right HAHAHA
Furthermore i have concluded that talking to an imbecile like you is a waste of time, you're clearly just a full idiot.
Original post by darkvibes
They are different yes, but YOU can't comprehend the link. GDP per capita is total GDP divided by population. So the two figures are equally proportional as GDP per capita equates to 1 person's total average wealth. You're the one that simply cant comprehend the obvious link here.
The only conclusion here is that your maths is so poor you cant understand proportionality and ratio.
You're so stupid you can't even see you're stupid, you even think you're right HAHAHA
Furthermore i have concluded that talking to an imbecile like you is a waste of time, you're clearly just a full idiot.
The only conclusion here is that your maths is so poor you cant understand proportionality and ratio.
You're so stupid you can't even see you're stupid, you even think you're right HAHAHA
Furthermore i have concluded that talking to an imbecile like you is a waste of time, you're clearly just a full idiot.
I'm sorry this isn't the case at all. GDP per capita is a rough guide. People in London obviously contribute more than people in Cornwall do, and it's the same with different groups of people. There may be 100,000 migrants but they do not automatically contribute to the same degree that 1000,000 non-migrants do. There is no valid link between the two figures, this whole new point of yours is borne truly out of misunderstanding of separate economic statistics.
What is the point that you're trying to get across here? Why don't you address the point that I have proven that the UK economy is not driven by immigration?
Original post by Roofas
I'm sorry this isn't the case at all. GDP per capita is a rough guide. People in London obviously contribute more than people in Cornwall do, and it's the same with different groups of people. There may be 100,000 migrants but they do not automatically contribute to the same degree that 1000,000 non-migrants do. There is no valid link between the two figures, this whole new point of yours is borne truly out of misunderstanding of separate economic statistics.
What is the point that you're trying to get across here? Why don't you address the point that I have proven that the UK economy is not driven by immigration?
What is the point that you're trying to get across here? Why don't you address the point that I have proven that the UK economy is not driven by immigration?
OH for gods sake. GDP per capita is just a measurement of living standards smh. You dont understand, just forget it, clearly its too hard for you and well beyond your mental capacity.
Look at the post earlier where i've proved it. I doubt you would even vaguely understand it seeing as you cant understand this.
Original post by darkvibes
OH for gods sake. GDP per capita is just a measurement of living standards smh. You dont understand, just forget it, clearly its too hard for you and well beyond your mental capacity.
Look at the post earlier where i've proved it. I doubt you would even vaguely understand it seeing as you cant understand this.
Look at the post earlier where i've proved it. I doubt you would even vaguely understand it seeing as you cant understand this.
You can just PM me an apology when you've sobered up and we'll leave at this I think.
Original post by SMEGGGY
Despite being tolerant?
Tell that to the Aboriginals, Native Americans, Africans, Indians of white tolerance
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Tell that to the Aboriginals, Native Americans, Africans, Indians of white tolerance
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Alright i'll just pop down the road, should be able to find each and every one of em'!
Original post by Roofas
You can just PM me an apology when you've sobered up and we'll leave at this I think.
I can't apologise for your own stupidity, that's on you.
You can PM me and apologise for wasting my time.
I think you have succumbed to the fact that you are wrong, at least you have some hope.
Yes, all lives matter, but by saying 'white lives matter' as a response to 'black lives matter' you are dismissing the struggles that black people are subjected to because of structural racism.
Instead of singing your own praises and going on about how tolerant you are, remember that you are at the top of your system, and while you may have abolished slavery and whatever other gloriously humane things you may choose to boast as a race, you are still doing everything you can to retain your position as the dominant class. The dominant class created ghettos for black people to keep them repressed, they have done many things to retain their position and isolate minorities throughout history. No, white person reading this, not you personally, no one is blaming you personally, but you must simply acknowledge that you benefit from this structural racism, and therefore accept that it is insensitive to present your struggles as a race as worse than the struggles of people of colour in this society. A few unkind comments, or 'abuse', unkind and wrong as they may be, will not affect your position as on top of your system. In fact the CIA even admitted to giving ghettoised black people crack in the past, so that generation by generation they are addicted. That's not a conspiracy because they admitted it. This is done so black people stay disadvantaged so dominant class can retain their position.
A lot of you need to read into socialisation. It's literally a matter of educating ourselves so we don't fall into the trap of victimising people who as a race are anything but victims.
Instead of singing your own praises and going on about how tolerant you are, remember that you are at the top of your system, and while you may have abolished slavery and whatever other gloriously humane things you may choose to boast as a race, you are still doing everything you can to retain your position as the dominant class. The dominant class created ghettos for black people to keep them repressed, they have done many things to retain their position and isolate minorities throughout history. No, white person reading this, not you personally, no one is blaming you personally, but you must simply acknowledge that you benefit from this structural racism, and therefore accept that it is insensitive to present your struggles as a race as worse than the struggles of people of colour in this society. A few unkind comments, or 'abuse', unkind and wrong as they may be, will not affect your position as on top of your system. In fact the CIA even admitted to giving ghettoised black people crack in the past, so that generation by generation they are addicted. That's not a conspiracy because they admitted it. This is done so black people stay disadvantaged so dominant class can retain their position.
A lot of you need to read into socialisation. It's literally a matter of educating ourselves so we don't fall into the trap of victimising people who as a race are anything but victims.
This is simply because you don’t know many if any black people (at least not those who live in black communities), haven’t spent time yourself in those communities, and you don’t read or listen to black media, where issues about racism are talked about all the time.
Secondly contrary to popular belief, black people are actually reluctant to allege racism, be it on the job, or in schools, or anywhere else. It's actually the case that black folks typically “stuff” their experiences with discrimination and racism, only making an allegation of such treatment after many, many incidents because white denial has long trumped claims of racism.
Thirdly black people in the UK are dependent (In the main) on whites for jobs, houses and education. So white people have a system that can slap that black person down should they get 'too militant' this has the effect (As I said previously) of making black people and other people of colour stuff their experiences. So whites can shut themselves off from any serious, honest talk about race with blacks. Then, partly from this engineered silence, they conclude that racism is not a big deal.
Although a person of colour in the UK or USA in an authority position can discriminate against a white person.
This kind of thing rarely happens because
A) They are rare relative to whites in authority
B) In virtually all cases, there are authorities above those people of colour who are white, and who would not stand for such actions
E) even in cases where a person of colour sits atop a power structure (as with President Obama), he is not truly free to do anything to oppress or marginalize white people (even were he so inclined), given his own need to attract white support in order to win election or pass any of his policy agenda.
There are no institutional structures in the U.S or the UK in which people of colour exercise final and controlling authority: not in the school systems, labour market, justice system, housing markets, financial markets, or media.
As such, the ability of black and brown folks to oppress white people simply does not exist.
Having said that, it is certainly true that in majority non-white countries, people of colour could have power sufficient to racist to whites
Although even racism to whites in places like India, China, Nigeria, Ghana, Pakistan, Japan is somewhat limited by the reality of global economics and the desire for good relations with the West
The first thing is to admit it and then admit that black or Asian people are not lying. I know that may seem obvious but your denial is heavy. This mean that there has to be some sort of humility on your part. Racism won’t go away as long as you are too afraid to just sit down, be honest, and look at why it’s still a problem and actually help find a solution.
No I don’t mean find a solution as in tell black people what to think or get silly and start talking about racism to whites. How that is possible in nation where whites run everything is beyond me. Or think that being nice to a black waitress gets you a medal. I mean genuinely sitting down, looking at yourself and realising that there’s a whole world out there beyond whites and their culture.
Humility.
As long as you view the situation as a case of angry, ungrateful black people instead of viewing things from a perspective that does not favour the privilege you (deep in side) are too scared to lose, you won’t have that “Kumbaya” you keep asking for.
So all the evidence about racial discrimination in the workplace are wrong and you right.
Not to mention all my personal evidence of phoning up for job and because I don't have an African or Jamaican accent they assume I'm white. When I get there, the shocked look on their faces. Sometimes they say "Job is taken" but most time they do that fake politeness and go through the motions only to get the "We thank you for application for this job but unfortunately......"
Not to mention that most jobs are never advertised. They are filled by word of mouth and networking: a process which disproportionately disadvantages people of colour, irrespective of qualifications.
But let's put your theory that to the test.
Say if you had a job interview tomorrow and your life depended on you getting that job. But I had pill that would turn your skin black.
Would you take that pill ?
I mean, if you really believed that these companies are just rolling out the red carpet for black people, then you would take that pill.
But you and I know, you would not go near that pill. Deep down you know full well that racism in the job market is rife.
Fact is - When you seek admission to a university, apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, you don't look threatening. Almost all of the people evaluating you for those things look like you - They are white.
They see in you a reflection of themselves, and in a racist world that is an advantage. You smile. You are white. You are one of them. You're not dangerous. Even when you get angry, you are cut some slack. After all, your white
Secondly contrary to popular belief, black people are actually reluctant to allege racism, be it on the job, or in schools, or anywhere else. It's actually the case that black folks typically “stuff” their experiences with discrimination and racism, only making an allegation of such treatment after many, many incidents because white denial has long trumped claims of racism.
Thirdly black people in the UK are dependent (In the main) on whites for jobs, houses and education. So white people have a system that can slap that black person down should they get 'too militant' this has the effect (As I said previously) of making black people and other people of colour stuff their experiences. So whites can shut themselves off from any serious, honest talk about race with blacks. Then, partly from this engineered silence, they conclude that racism is not a big deal.
Although a person of colour in the UK or USA in an authority position can discriminate against a white person.
This kind of thing rarely happens because
A) They are rare relative to whites in authority
B) In virtually all cases, there are authorities above those people of colour who are white, and who would not stand for such actions
E) even in cases where a person of colour sits atop a power structure (as with President Obama), he is not truly free to do anything to oppress or marginalize white people (even were he so inclined), given his own need to attract white support in order to win election or pass any of his policy agenda.
There are no institutional structures in the U.S or the UK in which people of colour exercise final and controlling authority: not in the school systems, labour market, justice system, housing markets, financial markets, or media.
As such, the ability of black and brown folks to oppress white people simply does not exist.
Having said that, it is certainly true that in majority non-white countries, people of colour could have power sufficient to racist to whites
Although even racism to whites in places like India, China, Nigeria, Ghana, Pakistan, Japan is somewhat limited by the reality of global economics and the desire for good relations with the West
The first thing is to admit it and then admit that black or Asian people are not lying. I know that may seem obvious but your denial is heavy. This mean that there has to be some sort of humility on your part. Racism won’t go away as long as you are too afraid to just sit down, be honest, and look at why it’s still a problem and actually help find a solution.
No I don’t mean find a solution as in tell black people what to think or get silly and start talking about racism to whites. How that is possible in nation where whites run everything is beyond me. Or think that being nice to a black waitress gets you a medal. I mean genuinely sitting down, looking at yourself and realising that there’s a whole world out there beyond whites and their culture.
Humility.
As long as you view the situation as a case of angry, ungrateful black people instead of viewing things from a perspective that does not favour the privilege you (deep in side) are too scared to lose, you won’t have that “Kumbaya” you keep asking for.
So all the evidence about racial discrimination in the workplace are wrong and you right.
Not to mention all my personal evidence of phoning up for job and because I don't have an African or Jamaican accent they assume I'm white. When I get there, the shocked look on their faces. Sometimes they say "Job is taken" but most time they do that fake politeness and go through the motions only to get the "We thank you for application for this job but unfortunately......"
Not to mention that most jobs are never advertised. They are filled by word of mouth and networking: a process which disproportionately disadvantages people of colour, irrespective of qualifications.
But let's put your theory that to the test.
Say if you had a job interview tomorrow and your life depended on you getting that job. But I had pill that would turn your skin black.
Would you take that pill ?
I mean, if you really believed that these companies are just rolling out the red carpet for black people, then you would take that pill.
But you and I know, you would not go near that pill. Deep down you know full well that racism in the job market is rife.
Fact is - When you seek admission to a university, apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, you don't look threatening. Almost all of the people evaluating you for those things look like you - They are white.
They see in you a reflection of themselves, and in a racist world that is an advantage. You smile. You are white. You are one of them. You're not dangerous. Even when you get angry, you are cut some slack. After all, your white
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Original post by Attempt
It proved the opposite for only a period of 9 years in America, not overall.
Maybe reading isn't your strong point.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all
Maybe reading isn't your strong point.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all
Congratulations, you managed to type "white people more likely to be killed by police" into Google and find a source that fits your narrative. I'm still curious as to why you posted your original link when it didn't support your claims at all and if you don't think the data is valid anyway?
Original post by BeastOfSyracuse
Fair play, I'm not at all claiming you were racist in posting the gif and the one you posted really wasn't in the category I'm talking about.
But I do think the existence of these memes arises from an imbalance in racial equality; black people are seen to be more emotional, more exaggerated, more outlandish and more entertaining. And I think these are traits often associated with an oppressed class, I'll have to dig out some historical examples but iirc the metics in Athens were similarly perceived.
But I do think the existence of these memes arises from an imbalance in racial equality; black people are seen to be more emotional, more exaggerated, more outlandish and more entertaining. And I think these are traits often associated with an oppressed class, I'll have to dig out some historical examples but iirc the metics in Athens were similarly perceived.
Yeah, I understand your point.
You see, to me, racism is having a superiority complex and believing that other racial groups are inherently or outrightly inferior. When someone posts a picture with a completely genuine desire to portray a funny side to a situation, I don’t think that is racist. However, when one posts something, whether a comment or picture or song, with the intention to mock or declassify the subject or group, then I think that is racism.
I agree that black people have been portrayed as objects for entertainment, whether in sports, arts or wherever, and there is an imbalance in racial equality.
The important thing about racism or oppression is that it is not absolute, that is not all black people are oppressed or white people the oppressors.There are some black people in certain countries that are privileged and somewhite people that are oppressed. However, I completely agree that, in relative terms,there are more black people than white people in Western nations that arevictims of institutionalised racism or discrimination.
One of the saddest aspect of the race discourse is the consistent and vehement denial that racism still exists. You see people argue with their whole being that racism against you or a group is just in your head.They throw statistics at you, in an effort to refute your claim. Very few people actually know that statistics are not 100% correct and can be tweaked to suit a particular narrative.
Original post by Captain Haddock
Congratulations, you managed to type "white people more likely to be killed by police" into Google and find a source that fits your narrative. I'm still curious as to why you posted your original link when it didn't support your claims at all and if you don't think the data is valid anyway?
I didn't do that you moron.
It is just a link that has the exact same stats as the original one I posted.
I posted that one because it shows the fact that Whites get arrested and killed more than Blacks.
Original post by Attempt
I didn't do that you moron.
It is just a link that has the exact same stats as the original one I posted.
I posted that one because it shows the fact that Whites get arrested and killed more than Blacks.
It is just a link that has the exact same stats as the original one I posted.
I posted that one because it shows the fact that Whites get arrested and killed more than Blacks.
Your claim was that whites are more likely to be killed by police. Your first link says that the raw figures for whites killed by cops are higher than those of blacks, but it concludes that black people are more likely to be killed by police when you factor in population size (as you naturally should). This doesn't support your point at all.
Your second link features some guy plugging homicide rates into the same stats to flip the conclusion around. Fair enough, his conclusion does support your point, though I'm not convinced by his methodology.
Why did you post the first link?
Original post by Captain Haddock
Your claim was that whites are more likely to be killed by police. Your first link says that the raw figures for whites killed by cops are higher than those of blacks, but it concludes that black people are more likely to be killed by police when you factor in population size (as you naturally should). This doesn't support your point at all.
Your second link features some guy plugging homicide rates into the same stats to flip the conclusion around. Fair enough, his conclusion does support your point, though I'm not convinced by his methodology.
Why did you post the first link?
Your second link features some guy plugging homicide rates into the same stats to flip the conclusion around. Fair enough, his conclusion does support your point, though I'm not convinced by his methodology.
Why did you post the first link?
It's Crystal clear that you did not fully read the first article I posted at all.
My claim was that more whites are killed by blacks in America, the link i posted supports the claim, the only thing you're clutching on is the legal intervention bit, and legal intervention is the act of a criminal dying in the hands of people who using force in line with their duty, meaning they used force in ways that's not violating amendments or legal rights.
The article states that from a period of 9 years 18 years ago, that blacks died three times as more under legal intervention than whites. Which has NOTHING to do with my original claim about Whites being killed more than blacks in America.
Original post by Attempt
It's Crystal clear that you did not fully read the first article I posted at all.
My claim was that more whites are killed by blacks in America, the link i posted supports the claim, the only thing you're clutching on is the legal intervention bit, and legal intervention is the act of a criminal dying in the hands of people who using force in line with their duty, meaning they used force in ways that's not violating amendments or legal rights.
The article states that from a period of 9 years 18 years ago, that blacks died three times as more under legal intervention than whites. Which has NOTHING to do with my original claim about Whites being killed more than blacks in America.
My claim was that more whites are killed by blacks in America, the link i posted supports the claim, the only thing you're clutching on is the legal intervention bit, and legal intervention is the act of a criminal dying in the hands of people who using force in line with their duty, meaning they used force in ways that's not violating amendments or legal rights.
The article states that from a period of 9 years 18 years ago, that blacks died three times as more under legal intervention than whites. Which has NOTHING to do with my original claim about Whites being killed more than blacks in America.
No. Your claim, and I quote, was that "whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers". NOT "twice as many whites as blacks are killed by police". There is a HUGE difference between those two statements. You then posted this article as proof. Nowhere in this article does it state that whites are twice as likely to be killed by police officers.
Original post by Captain Haddock
No. Your claim, and I quote, was that "whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers". NOT "twice as many whites as blacks are killed by police". There is a HUGE difference between those two statements. You then posted this article as proof. Nowhere in this article does it state that whites are twice as likely to be killed by police officers.
Don't bother with that idiot
Original post by Captain Haddock
No. Your claim, and I quote, was that "whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers". NOT "twice as many whites as blacks are killed by police". There is a HUGE difference between those two statements. You then posted this article as proof. Nowhere in this article does it state that whites are twice as likely to be killed by police officers.
If the amount of white people killed in America by the police in respect to black is 2:1 doesn't that mean that they are twice as likely to be killed by police officers?
Twice as many whites die by getting shot by the police so whites are twice are likely to be shot by the police.
I wonder where your education stands right now because you're not making any sense.
Original post by Attempt
If the amount of white people killed in America by the police in respect to black is 2:1 doesn't that mean that they are twice as likely to be killed by police officers?
Twice as many whites die by getting shot by the police so whites are twice are likely to be shot by the police.
I wonder where your education stands right now because you're not making any sense.
Twice as many whites die by getting shot by the police so whites are twice are likely to be shot by the police.
I wonder where your education stands right now because you're not making any sense.
You said you understand how percentages work. You lied to me.
Let's make a hypothetical. In an imaginary town there are 1000 white people and 100 black people. In one year, 50 black people are killed by police, and 100 white people are killed by police. What does that mean? It means twice as many whites were killed as blacks, but, if you are black you had a 50% chance of being killed, vs 10% if you are white. Ergo, if you are black, you are more likely to be killed by police.
This is all explained in the article that you posted, by the way.
Original post by Captain Haddock
You said you understand how percentages work. You lied to me.
Let's make a hypothetical. In an imaginary town there are 1000 white people and 100 black people. In one year, 50 black people are killed by police, and 100 white people are killed by police. What does that mean? It means twice as many whites were killed as blacks, but, if you are black you had a 50% chance of being killed, vs 10% if you are white. Ergo, if you are black, you are more likely to be killed by police.
This is all explained in the article that you posted, by the way.
Let's make a hypothetical. In an imaginary town there are 1000 white people and 100 black people. In one year, 50 black people are killed by police, and 100 white people are killed by police. What does that mean? It means twice as many whites were killed as blacks, but, if you are black you had a 50% chance of being killed, vs 10% if you are white. Ergo, if you are black, you are more likely to be killed by police.
This is all explained in the article that you posted, by the way.
Okay agreed the link was off. I got it from Infowars, a website i expect to proof read whatever they quote.
Original post by Attempt
If the amount of white people killed in America by the police in respect to black is 2:1 doesn't that mean that they are twice as likely to be killed by police officers?
Twice as many whites die by getting shot by the police so whites are twice are likely to be shot by the police.
I wonder where your education stands right now because you're not making any sense.
Twice as many whites die by getting shot by the police so whites are twice are likely to be shot by the police.
I wonder where your education stands right now because you're not making any sense.
Considering you did a foundation year and failed I wouldnt have a go at other peoples education if i were you.
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