Immigrants aren't the problem

No.
Poverty, crumbling public services and inequality are caused largely by small staate right wing, neoliberal governments.

It could but the standards in this country to become a doctor would have to decrease, perhaps more subsidies to encourage people into the profession, and a certain amount of time they have to work in the UK. Though just paying them more would probably attract more people.
I mean you need like all A stats to study it at uni so it's understandable why we'd have to import some skilled labour.

Firsty, corporations do not exploit people, they pay the wage that people are willing to accept. Secondly the wage rate in regions is determined by the demand for such labour, and ultimately the supply of labour.
Immigration of low skilled workers decreases or keeps the current wage rate of such occupations stagnant. The London living wage has only come about because of excessive inflation/costs caused by huge flows of capital and rich folk buying land/property and high immigration. it's a political decision and has nothing to do with supply or demand of labour, however that has been the cause of it being brought about.

In regional terms, the higher the supply of labour as opposed to demand sets the wage rate, companies simply pay what people will take. People will take this lower wage(ie migrants or british people) because there's a substantial imbalance in the labour market, where the labour market increases in size, people have less options jobs wise and less opportunities for employment, so they are forced to accept the lower wage rate. The more people you have in a certain area, the cheaper production/labour costs are as there's more people to do the job. Look at countries with high populations such as China, China may be becoming very wealthy, but the people aren't as wealthy to represent that, hence why children never see their parent's as they move to cities to work all the time.

I do dislike the attitude of the middle and upper classes in this country that unemployed people are lazy, most unemployed people would like to have a job and be able to support their families respectively. And the whole attitude of a non English person shouldn't be able to take your job, because even skilled jobs especially in the building trade you can get by on knowing sod all English.
I'm not going to even go into the whole capitalism vs socialism thing as capitalism is the best economical system in the world. Remember Karl marx was funded and basically lived of his friend Engles whose father was a factory owner..... Essentially you could argue Marx lived of the "exploitation" of others.

As for it being a lack of education, if everyone was more educated you would find smart people being forced to accept lower/less skilled jobs not suited to their potential and would drive down wages of the middle/middle upper class. The richest people in this country will still become richer, inequality would only close between middle and lower class. Look at the earnings of the past 30 years of each percentile, the poorest are no better off than they were 30 years ago. A combination of high migration leading to stagnant and higher competition for jobs has caused this, you don't have the middle/middle upperclass or upper class worrying about jobs, because quite simply, the supply of labour for their jobs vs demand hasn't increased substantially. Not all people are intelligent, that's partially a good thing if you are intelligent as it means less people can do your job and as such you can demand a higher pay packet. I wish people would honestly have more patriotism in this country for the sake of British people that aren't born intelligent/able bodied.

Immigrants are the primary cause of these labour market shocks supply wise, the government is to blame however, but the government has no interest in reducing immigration, even if it means the poorest britains will become better off, or the middle class becoming better off because it reduces labour costs and as such costs to running business and government expenditure. Immigration is simply a massive supply side policy. It also helps increase demand for housing, which essentially makes people capital worth more, especially the rich and powerful, they have no interest in the British people but only an interest in their own wealth. Labour won't help the poorest either, since they're a huge fan of mass immigration because it ultimately means more poor people to vote for them, even if they helped cause the housing crises, they can use it as an election promise, the Tories won't either, simply because it keeps costs down for most of their companies that pay them.

I agree with the OP. The problem is more to do with poor distribution\allocation of funds, bad long-term planning in regards key services and house-building, and the lack of a prearranged plan for economic downturns.

It could but the standards in this country to become a doctor would have to decrease, perhaps more subsidies to encourage people into the profession, and a certain amount of time they have to work in the UK. Though just paying them more would probably attract more people.
I mean you need like all A stats to study it at uni so it's understandable why we'd have to import some skilled labour.

But there in lies the success of right wing parties like the tories and their media buddies. They succesfully manage to persuade poor people to blame other poor people, immigrants and public sectr workers rather than look upwards and blame the government.

The people who don't understand that mass immigration and the undercutting of wages is a problem tend to be those who are never hit by it.

I haven't seen any posts recently about migrants taking jobs. I have, however, seen plenty about the migrant rape crisis, which is a problem.

Thanks for making a reply to the earlier points not needed


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Don't hide behind another poster.
Ill ask you again, if immigration causes lower wages then why does Norfolk, which has virtually no immigration not have higher wages than London which has huge levels of immigration?

Your theory in real life doesn't work because you don't factor in human and social elements.

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Firsty, corporations do not exploit people, they pay the wage that people are willing to accept. Secondly the wage rate in regions is determined by the demand for such labour, and ultimately the supply of labour.
Immigration of low skilled workers decreases or keeps the current wage rate of such occupations stagnant. The London living wage has only come about because of excessive inflation/costs caused by huge flows of capital and rich folk buying land/property and high immigration. it's a political decision and has nothing to do with supply or demand of labour, however that has been the cause of it being brought about.

In regional terms, the higher the supply of labour as opposed to demand sets the wage rate, companies simply pay what people will take. People will take this lower wage(ie migrants or british people) because there's a substantial imbalance in the labour market, where the labour market increases in size, people have less options jobs wise and less opportunities for employment, so they are forced to accept the lower wage rate. The more people you have in a certain area, the cheaper production/labour costs are as there's more people to do the job. Look at countries with high populations such as China, China may be becoming very wealthy, but the people aren't as wealthy to represent that, hence why children never see their parent's as they move to cities to work all the time.

I do dislike the attitude of the middle and upper classes in this country that unemployed people are lazy, most unemployed people would like to have a job and be able to support their families respectively. And the whole attitude of a non English person shouldn't be able to take your job, because even skilled jobs especially in the building trade you can get by on knowing sod all English.
I'm not going to even go into the whole capitalism vs socialism thing as capitalism is the best economical system in the world. Remember Karl marx was funded and basically lived of his friend Engles whose father was a factory owner..... Essentially you could argue Marx lived of the "exploitation" of others.

As for it being a lack of education, if everyone was more educated you would find smart people being forced to accept lower/less skilled jobs not suited to their potential and would drive down wages of the middle/middle upper class. The richest people in this country will still become richer, inequality would only close between middle and lower class. Look at the earnings of the past 30 years of each percentile, the poorest are no better off than they were 30 years ago. A combination of high migration leading to stagnant and higher competition for jobs has caused this, you don't have the middle/middle upperclass or upper class worrying about jobs, because quite simply, the supply of labour for their jobs vs demand hasn't increased substantially. Not all people are intelligent, that's partially a good thing if you are intelligent as it means less people can do your job and as such you can demand a higher pay packet. I wish people would honestly have more patriotism in this country for the sake of British people that aren't born intelligent/able bodied.

Immigrants are the primary cause of these labour market shocks supply wise, the government is to blame however, but the government has no interest in reducing immigration, even if it means the poorest britains will become better off, or the middle class becoming better off because it reduces labour costs and as such costs to running business and government expenditure. Immigration is simply a massive supply side policy. It also helps increase demand for housing, which essentially makes people capital worth more, especially the rich and powerful, they have no interest in the British people but only an interest in their own wealth. Labour won't help the poorest either, since they're a huge fan of mass immigration because it ultimately means more poor people to vote for them, even if they helped cause the housing crises, they can use it as an election promise, the Tories won't either, simply because it keeps costs down for most of their companies that pay them.

He already answered you


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No he has not. And im asking you. Why does norfolk, a place with next to no immigration have low wages?

Your point was that less immigration increases wages automatically, I've shown that not to be the case. You have no idea so you are hiding behind another poster.

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I'm sorry I don't know much about the economy of Norfolk lol.

I do know about supply and demand though


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I'm not hiding behind anyone, he answered you and I agree with him there's no point typing it out again.


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You are hiding.
He hasn't answered me. I've read his reply and nowhere does he address why in places like Norfolk, where there is no immigration are wages low. Nowhere.

Would you care to tell me his response to hat then if he told me?

You don't know, you realise you're wrong so you're hiding behind another poster. Economics isn't an exact science which you can just apply simple formulas to.

I've seen a lot of posts about how immigrants are taking our jobs and how the British end up unemployed. This is wrong on so many levels mostly because people refuse to look on both sides of the argument.

It's clear that these jobs are always on low pay jobs that don't require a qualification. I haven't seen an immigrant with a medical degree ever come from another country and become a doctor in a British hospital. I have friends who moved here and who's parents have qualifications, however find it very difficult to get a job in their field and end up taking low paid jobs.

The jobs that these immigrants are taking are low paid jobs, so the problem isn't the immigrants, it's the lack of education in this country.

Additionally, immigrants tend to make jobs. One of my friends immigrated here and set up a business which ended up employing hundreds of people. Immigrants can be job creators.

Don't hide behind another poster.
Ill ask you again, if immigration causes lower wages then why does Norfolk, which has virtually no immigration not have higher wages than London which has huge levels of immigration?

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