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Original post by similarBlank
Sorry, I guess I've never seen sarcasm being used in an unmocking way before.

Mocking someone, suggested by your sarcasm, suggests you think they are idiots in my opinion. Doing that and then claiming you didn't mean it like that seems to be kind of like Passive aggresivism.

Oh, and the good ol' trying to accuse me of the same thing I accused you of? I didn't make a single inclination that I "hate", your word not mine, in my post and remained very neutral, but because it pointed out flaws in the way you made your post you're suddenly accusing me of being, according to the definition, a bigot.

P.S. Did you like my sarcasm in the first line? Did you feel like it was mocking you? That's because that's practically the purpose of sarcasm, which I needed to show on that example.


... and that's the reason it's leading nowhere. Noone is watching our debate and we'll continue to accuse each other for beings bigots.
Ok then you are right , I'm wrong and bigot
Please report the post (if you haven't already) so that we can end this here ok?
Vote Out-free market baby! Cut all the red tape and frack the hell out of the UK , ban unions and get rid of workers rights, we are a competive and dynamic sovereign nation state (apart from when it comes to NATO, climate change and global capitalism, ). We can carry on selling guns and missiles to Saudis Arabia and let our bankers earn as much as they want. We'll take power away from the EU and give it to tax exile corporates (some of whom run our media) we'll get of all that stupid regulation and let companies put what they want in our food. If you'd don't like it, buy from another supermarket and if they put **** in their food too you. Better suck it up baby, cos that's freedom.


Or vote in ( the opposite of the above)
Original post by Swanbow
Out, for various reasons.

Removing the UK from the shackles of an inefficient
bureaucratic, neo-liberal institution that has failed since the financial collapse is my primary reason.


How could the EU be more efficient in your eyes? The problem with the efficiency is the democratic element and vice versa- by clinging onto sovereignty nation states make the EU less democratic and are essentially giving up their sovereignty anyway. A fully democratic EU is inevitable though.

Bureaucracy isnt aLWays a bad thing.

Neo-liberal- it's positively socialist compared to what Boris Johnson has got planned, (who is going to be in charge post brexit)
Original post by Vesniep
Is that ironic? Did I say something funny?
But oh see that happy face in the end it makes me feel good :smile:
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Seriously now I don't know if I said anything extreme , so please let me find out.



Nah, nothing extreme check my post before on some brexit inreality idiot. I think United States of Europe would be perfect but democracy always holds us back.
Original post by ckfeister
Nah, nothing extreme check my post before on some brexit inreality idiot. I think United States of Europe would be perfect but democracy always holds us back.


Ukippers always bang on about common sense, but to me the whole idea of a f emerald Europe is the most logical option we could go with.

imagine how much cheaper and more effective things could be if we had say a common border agency for instance, or the start of an EU army rather than the massively wasteful state that is NATO? Just as a small example., wel'll be saving millions tat really could go on our schools or the nhs etc .
Original post by ForcePotential
Who is voting to leave the EU and why?


the 350 million a week we save
it could negatively affect my rivals
Original post by Sebastian Bartlett
So you are scared, don't take risks and don't like change. Well if we had that attitude we would still be cavemen scared of fire.

Appalling logic. Would you just run into the middle of a busy road without looking? No? Why?
You're scared!
Well if we still had that attitude we would still be cavemen...

There's a difference between taking a calculated risk when the odds are good and taking a reckless risk, when you have no idea what will happen. Brexiters are pretty much advocating running out into the middle of the road without looking and apparently if you oppose that, you're a coward and scared.
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Original post by Bornblue
In. Let's not take a step into the dark and cross our fingers.


Staying in is an equally sized "step into the dark". The EU is vastly different to what it was 10/20/30 years ago.

Original post by ckfeister
Ok so, here reality.

£350 million a week? Nahhh.. what if its not a free trade deal? Also, some of that actually comes BACK to UK into other projects so all that would happen is we'll control where it goes to, as it already goes to farmers, space programmes etc.. More like £130 million, who said we'll grow in the future anyway if we left? Unemployement is rising and slower growth as well as lower pound value, take a hint.


Lower pound value's good.
@ckfeister "Ok so, here reality.

£350 million a week? Nahhh.. what if its not a free trade deal? Also, some of that actually comes BACK to UK "

SMH!!!

You never want to improve anything do you? It's a scandal that we don't get all of it back!

Is it that you do not trust the UK to spend that money, that you think the EU is better off taking our money and giving us half back?

Remain option:
It's like going to school, giving your mate 5 quid and asking for £2.5 back to spend. But, you also can't go to china's shop, or India's, or Brazil, or any others bar a few. There are also rules you have to follow btw :tongue:, the teachers will make those.
Leave option:
Or, if you beleive in brexit you can keep the £5 and go to any shop you want, including the EU shop. The rules you follow are made by an eleted student council.

Ty for the laugh, your logic is great btw, nice try.
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Original post by ForcePotential
Who is voting to leave the EU and why?


Out.
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Original post by Bornblue
Appalling logic. Would you just run into the middle of a busy road without looking? No? Why?
You're scared!
Well if we still had that attitude we would still be cavemen...

There's a difference between taking a calculated risk when the odds are good and taking a reckless risk, when you have no idea what will happen. Brexiters are pretty much advocating running out into the middle of the road without looking and apparently if you oppose that, you're a coward and scared.


You have no idea how the EU will be in the future so it goes both ways.

Original post by Davij038
Ukippers always bang on about common sense, but to me the whole idea of a f emerald Europe is the most logical option we could go with.

imagine how much cheaper and more effective things could be if we had say a common border agency for instance, or the start of an EU army rather than the massively wasteful state that is NATO? Just as a small example., wel'll be saving millions tat really could go on our schools or the nhs etc .


NATO isn't a state.
Most people voting to remain seem to only care about money. Those wanting to leave want to do so to make the UK a sovereign country again, implementing its own laws and customs without the red tape and bureaucracy of a bloated European Union.

If you want to be part of a United States of Europe, vote to remain. Otherwise, vote to leave.
Original post by BaronK
You have no idea how the EU will be in the future so it goes both ways.



NATO isn't a state.


It doesn't go both ways.
We can never be certain of anything, but remaining in the eu gives us greater certainty what will happen than if we leave.

Which trade deals will we sign if we leave? Go on, be specific...

Staying in the eu is staying how we are, leaving is crossing your fingers and jumping off a cliff, hoping for a pile of cushions at the bottom.
Original post by Swanbow
Out, for various reasons.

Removing the UK from the shackles of an inefficient, bureaucratic, neo-liberal institution that has failed since the financial collapse is my primary reason.

Let me get this straight, you want to leave a neo-liberal right wing organisation so we can be ruled by the uber right wing neo liberal boris johnson?

The European Union guarantees worker rights to all, do you trust Boris johnson and the Tory right with them?
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Original post by Jammy Duel
By that logic you shouldn't be voting at all as there is no option to freeze everything as it is now. I'll ask you again, what will the EU look like in even just 5 years?

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Broadly the same as it is now and as it did 5 years ago.
What will we look like in 5 years outside the Eu? That's the more pressing question since you are advocating the far greater change.
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Original post by Bornblue
It doesn't go both ways.
We can never be certain of anything, but remaining in the eu gives us greater certainty what will happen than if we leave.

Which trade deals will we sign if we leave? Go on, be specific...

Staying in the eu is staying how we are, leaving is crossing your fingers and jumping off a cliff, hoping for a pile of cushions at the bottom.


I wish I had a crystal ball to tell you but unfortunately I don't. You'll have to leave it to the exit negotiators and future governments, but there will no doubt be a plenty.

Staying in the EU is how we are. 10 years ago if we had this referendum who would have foresaw the Lisbon treaty, the Migrant crisis, go back 20/5 Maastricht treaty and the euro etc. EU has changed significantly and it will only continue to do so, if leaving is crossing your fingers and jumping off a cliff then staying is crossing your fingers and hoping you don't hit a land mine.
Original post by BaronK
I wish I had a crystal ball to tell you but unfortunately I don't. You'll have to leave it to the exit negotiators and future governments, but there will no doubt be a plenty.

Staying in the EU is how we are. 10 years ago if we had this referendum who would have foresaw the Lisbon treaty, the Migrant crisis, go back 20/5 Maastricht treaty and the euro etc. EU has changed significantly and it will only continue to do so, if leaving is crossing your fingers and jumping off a cliff then staying is crossing your fingers and hoping you don't hit a land mine.


So you don't know what will happen if we leave the European Union. So you're approach is jump off a cliff and cross your fingers. The European Union has changed but the change has never been as great as the change of not being part of it at all.

And here's some news, the migrant crisis won't go away if we leave the Eu.

You're the one advocating a huge change you should be able to tell me what will happen when we leave. Truth is you have no idea and are just hoping for the best. Recklessly wanting to change without knowing what you want to change to.
Original post by balanced
@ckfeister "Ok so, here reality.

£350 million a week? Nahhh.. what if its not a free trade deal? Also, some of that actually comes BACK to UK "

SMH!!!

You never want to improve anything do you? It's a scandal that we don't get all of it back!

Is it that you do not trust the UK to spend that money, that you think the EU is better off taking our money and giving us half back?

Remain option:
It's like going to school, giving your mate 5 quid and asking for £2.5 back to spend. But, you also can't go to china's shop, or India's, or Brazil, or any others bar a few. There are also rules you have to follow btw :tongue:, the teachers will make those.
Leave option:
Or, if you beleive in brexit you can keep the £5 and go to any shop you want, including the EU shop. The rules you follow are made by an eleted student council.

Ty for the laugh, your logic is great btw, nice try.


The money that goes in is spent in aid for the Eastern western world who is repairing from the problem that USSR created to improve their standard of living upto the rich nations of Europe. We are a rich nation and should do our role in the Union, we are NOT an Empire owning 25% of the world anymore, no one will give a sht about 60m people on an island.
Original post by BaronK
Staying in is an equally sized "step into the dark". The EU is vastly different to what it was 10/20/30 years ago.



Lower pound value's good.


Oh yes, so good.
Here an example how good.

$2 = £1 in 2008 before crisis, a laptop worth $700 would cost £350, now thats its $1.40 = £1 lets check..

700/1.4 = £500 so due to the lower pound you have to pay 500 - 350 = £150 extra making our standard of living LOWER. It is also at a record low and unemployment is rising wakey.
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Original post by ckfeister
The money that goes in is spent in aid for the Eastern western world who is repairing from the problem that USSR created to improve their standard of living upto the rich nations of Europe. We are a rich nation and should do our role in the Union, we are NOT an Empire owning 25% of the world anymore, no one will give a sht about 60m people on an island.


It's not the responsibility of British people to prop up unsustainable developments and social programmes in Eastern Europe who have next to no links with us when we have financial issues and failing infrastructure in this country and have the second largest foreign aid budget in the world already.

People certainly will 'give a sht' about the world's 5th largest economy with a permanent seat on the UN security council, elite armed forces and nuclear weapons with almost unparalleled cultural clout.. I don't know why you feel the need to bash the UK to try and convince people to stay in, it's like an abusive husband "You're not good enough" etcetera.

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