David Cameron called 'racist' after accusing Sadiq Khan over links to IS supporter

Jewish law, air-go, the law Jewish people abide, and have been following for over 5,000 years. And yes according to them, being conceived by a jewish woman means you're a jew, and have jewish a lineage, air-go, you're genetically jewish.






For the SECOND TIME, no one said that Judaism is a race, ONLY YOU DID.
The monotheistic religion, Judaism, which is practised by Jews and non jews (Whoopi goldberg) isn't a race, but identifying yourself as Jewish is. Muslims who get scrutinized because of their faith stop getting scrutinised when they convert and leave Islam, Jewish people can't stop being Jewish. If you can't distinguish between people practicing a religion and what being a Jew is, then we can't continue this argument.

No I'm not having that. You don't get to say people disliking Jews is racist but people disliking Muslims is not. Let's have the same standards please.
Talk about picking and choosing when it suits you.

If attacks on one group is racist then so too is the other.
Both Judaism and Islam are religions. Both derive from parents as a passéd down religion.

Muslims like Sadiq Khan are prejudiced by the likes of Cameron who accused him of extremism without taking note of his actual beliefs.

Just because the Jewish religion dictates that you are Jewish of your mother is, doesn't actually make it so.

No. Judaism isn't genetic because a religion cannot be.
Judaism is not objective, it is not something inherent or physicial or biological.

Just because the Jewish religion dictates that you are Jewish of your mother is, doesn't actually make it so. A religion does not get to determine how race and genetics work.

I know what a Jew is, I'm one myself. It's a passed down religion. If I wanted I could leave the religion and I would no longer be Jewish. Jewish law doesn't get to override biology .

It's a religion, a religion passed down from your parents, just like Islam is.

Reads like someone has 'Jew' envy

So the secular atheist Jews living in Europe right now aren't Jews?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3809043,00.html

The fact of the matter is, if you're a descendent of Hebrews, whether you practice Judaism or not doesn't change the fact that you're jewish. If you're born into a jewish family, then you're Jewish. Period.

And every Jew knows and understands this, so i honestly doubt that you are infact a jewish, you're only saying that to lend your argument weight.

For a start I'm Jewish myself so enough with the pettiness.

All I'm saying is that being prejudiced against someone for being Jewish is equivalent to being prejudiced against someone because they are Muslim . In both instances the prejudice stems from the peeps religion.

Let's treat people the same rather than saying prejudiced attacks on one group is fine but not the other.

Actually it does.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your envy though

It depends entirely on whether they consider themselves Jews like it does with all religions.
No they're not the facts.
it's a religion, not a race and there is no generics to it.
Jewish law doesn't trump biology my friend.
Calling it genetic implies there is something biological to it, there is not.

It's a religion. A passed down religion but s religion nonetheless.

That isn't true.

Muslims can stop being muslims, Jews can't stop being Jewish.

This isn't Rocket science, how can't you understand this?

Yes Jews can stop being Jews by converting or denouncing their religion. There is nothing genetic or biological about being Jewish, it's just your choice about whether to identify and be a part of a certain group.

There are plenty of Jews who have denounced their religion or converted.

Yes there isn't any generics attached to it, but genetics yes.

I asked you a question.

A person born into a Jewish family, but doesn't practice Judaism is still considered a Jew by Rabbi, and the Jewish law, so why don't you consider them Jewish?

The number 1 Dictionary definition of a jew is

noun

1.one of a scattered group of people that traces its descent from the Biblical Hebrews or from post-exilic adherents of Judaism; Israelite.

2.a person whose religion is Judaism.


3.a subject of the ancient kingdom of Judah.

You can change the colour of your hair, but you can't change the mother than conceived you, you ignorant dunce

For the love of g-d, what the hell Judaic law has to do with any of this I'll never know, but since everyone here wants to know I'll explain. You have two types of Jews, Religious and Genetic. Now, in the context of the genetic Jews, there is not a Jewish "Race" per se, however, there are Jewish "Tribes" and each tribes have their own unique genes and such. These tribes are "Ashkenazi" (Eastern European) "Sephardi" (Spanish) and "Mizrahi" (Oriental). So yes you can be "Genetically" Jewish while not being of faith. And when people refer to genetic Judaism this is what they're referring to. This doesn't mean that all Jews are Genetic Jews though, as you do get Gentile converts.

But it's only Jewish according to Jewish law, it's nothing objective, inherent or genetic.

If catholocism said anyone born with brown hair would be a catholic forever irrespective if they changed it, would that make it so?

Of course not. A religious doctrine doesn't trump biology and genetics.

The worst part is that this Born blue bellend, actually claims to be Jewish, yet doesn't seem to know any of this.

Imagine lying about your lineage, just to give your argument strength, hahaha.

Pathetic and desperate.

It's a religion. A passed down religion but s religion nonetheless.

They couldn't say that because they aren't ignorant morons and they understand the fact that you can change your hair colour and not the mother who conceived you.

As others have stated, it's both. Judaism as a religion, and being Jewish by heritage are different things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#Genetics

Racism is based on biological differences, whether perceived or real, between different ethnic groups. Jews are a (or possibly multiple) ethnic group. Antisemitism (in modernity anyway) is based almost entirely on the Jewish ethnicity and not the religion (hence prejudice against atheist jews), whereas islamaphobia is based entirely on their religion (hence prejudice against non-arab muslims). There is a very clear difference.

Going back to the thread topic a bit however, there is absolutely nothing to suggest Cameron made the association of muslim=extremist. He has called other non-muslims extremists for similar reasons (e.g Corbyn), and has not referred to many other muslims as extremist. Being muslim does not mean any accusation against you is instantly racist or because of your religion.