Court stops circumcision.

Not to discriminate against the Shias, I believe they think it is compulsory.

And circumcision hurts the person if is being done to. If you doubt me, just use a pair of scissors to make a little snick in your foreskin, and then get back to me. Oh, of course, you can't.

If you have no experience of having a foreskin, how can you make a judgement as to the effect of its removal on your life?

Ah, I failed to ask childofthesun the obvious follow-up question. This is why I don't study law.

@childofthesun, sorry if this is too personal (and you don't have to answer if you don't want to), but would you decide to circumcise your future hypothetical son(s), if it wasn't medically necessary?

I made no such argument, so I don't know what you're talking about? There is evidence that points towards health benefits, and at the same time there is contradictory evidence, which is why I said there's no definite conclusion. I never once said that circumcision objectively has health benefits.

As with most surgical procedures, they do use anaesthesia to numb the area...

My best friend who had a circumcision for medical reasons could not walk for three weeks because of the pain.

Pain outlasts anesthesia.

Thats the reason why people do it when he is young, less painful.

Thats the reason why people do it when he is young, less painful.

Babies don't feel pain?

Yeah, and also he can't object if you're doing it for absolutely no reason.

My best friend who had a circumcision for medical reasons could not walk for three weeks because of the pain.

Pain outlasts anesthesia.

My nephew was circumcised as a baby. He was a little tender when changing his nappy (which is completely normal) but that subsided in a matter of days..

no not necessarily. It's dependent on many factors.

As with most surgical procedures, they do use anaesthesia to numb the area...

oh right, and that makes MGM just a-okay ethically, doesn't it?
seriously: why can't you just think morally for once in your life? why can't you just be moral? I don't understand
if I was saying this about FGM you'd be outraged and baffled. I am just as baffled about your justifications of MGM
but you're saying that my gender should/can be mutilated at birth, whereas *I'm* not saying that for your gender.
this is purely a demonstration of cultural misandry. you are offering no other explanation. the justification isn't scientific (as you've suggested a few days ago). it's cultural.

If you bothered to read the conversation before ranting, you'd see that I was simply informing him that the pain from circumcision is significantly reduced due to the use of an anaesthetic, since he appeared to be under the impression that nothing is used to numb the area.

right, so what if FGM was done under anaesthetic then? see, why are you even referring to this as if this is significant? it fails to justify it so why even bother?

1) even with anasthetic, they still feel pain. how powerful do you take this anasthetic to be? :| like I told you the other day, even with the anasthetic, some babes scream so hard via the circumcision pain that they blow out their lungs

with a result of reduced sexual pleasure.

it's the violation of the child's right to determine their own religion in the future too, seeing as a circumcision is essentially the branding of a child, forever (medically speaking), as a jew, or as a muslim (etc).

no. you're only saying this because it's not practised in societies that have professional or hygienic medical environments. there's nothing inherently worse than cutting off, say, the labia minora, than cutting off the foreskin. that is a *type* of FGM.

nah - that's your burden. I shouldn't be expected to ****ing trace you.

Did I say they won't feel pain?
You can't really conclude that the pain from the circumcision itself is what causes them to 'blow out their lungs'. It could be that they are being temporarily cared for by someone that they're unfamiliar with, it could be that they're startled from being laid down in an unfamiliar environment, it could be the temperature of the numbing cream, it could be that some babies naturally cry more than others. It could be a combination of all of those factors.


Can't confirm this either. There are too many variables.

Not true. Being circumcised doesn't mean you're bound to religion forever. That's not a requirement. There are religious people who are not circumcised just like there are non religious people who are. Religious parents will subconsciously raise their child in a similar environment that they were raised in. That doesn't make them bad parents. It means they're raising the child in the best way that they feel/the best way that they know. It doesn't just boil down to circumcision. It's everything. The food they eat, the clothes they wear, the friends they have, the social activities they're a part of etc. That is their right as a parent. As a stranger, as long as the children are well taken care of, it's really none of your business.


Again, revert back.


Then don't quote me. Nobody asked you to.

Did I say they won't feel pain?
You can't really conclude that the pain from the circumcision itself is what causes them to 'blow out their lungs'. It could be that they are being temporarily cared for by someone that they're unfamiliar with, it could be that they're startled from being laid down in an unfamiliar environment, it could be the temperature of the numbing cream, it could be that some babies naturally cry more than others. It could be a combination of all of those factors.


Can't confirm this either. There are too many variables.

Not true. Being circumcised doesn't mean you're bound to religion forever. That's not a requirement. There are religious people who are not circumcised just like there are non religious people who are. Religious parents will subconsciously raise their child in a similar environment that they were raised in. That doesn't make them bad parents. It means they're raising the child in the best way that they feel/the best way that they know. It doesn't just boil down to circumcision. It's everything. The food they eat, the clothes they wear, the friends they have, the social activities they're a part of etc. That is their right as a parent. As a stranger, as long as the children are well taken care of, it's really none of your business.


Again, revert back.


Then don't quote me. Nobody asked you to.

well you obviously implied it, unless you're saying that inflicting any pain upon babies for basically no reason is okay

yeah, so why do they begin to scream so hard only when the MGM is beginning? do you want me to give you a youtube link or something? :| you sound like you don't know what goes on at all.

...yes you can confirm this. it's only because you're a girl that you're saying this to be honest. ask any uncircumcised man if he thought that having no foreskin would eventually desensitise his penis and he'd very likely tell you "yes, probably". the more exposure the glans get, the less sensitive they become. that's why the glans are extremely sensitive until boys begin masturbating.

I said "medically speaking". medically speaking, it is a symbol that you are a jew or muslim as a mere infant. sure, ideologically they can change their minds, but they cannot reverse the fact that they had a religious circumcision.

and I don't give a **** if parents think that evil is good. that doesn't justify evil. that wouldn't justify nazism simply because hitler didn't understand that what he was doing was evil. this is a ****ing terrible argument you're attempting. it basically justifies anything.

no. again, it;s your problem not mine (Y)

I'll quote you when I can see your ****ing messages?