The Student Room Group

British jobs for british people

Scroll to see replies

Original post by Aceadria
This type of blanket statement is not necessarily correct, as it follows the same logic as the OP's claim.


It is a case of hiring imported cheap labour with the same skills as a uk worker but costing less wages to hire them. You can change the skill level to whichever degree you want and this still applies, obvious isnt it?
Original post by bakedbeans247
what.jpg


Considering that the vast majority of Muslims in the UK are of asian ethnicity it's a reasonable assumption to make.

Replying with reaction pics stopped being funny about 3 years ago, by the way.
A lorry driver in the UK used to earn £14 an hour ibefore 2004, and now after the mass migration of people from Eastern Europe that person now earns £7 an hour. The working class people have a right to be angry as their wages has been cut as result of an open border creating more comptetion for people and giving the multinational/corporates fat cats more profit from exploiting the common Man
Reply 83
Original post by _icecream
A lorry driver in the UK used to earn £14 an hour ibefore 2004, and now after the mass migration of people from Eastern Europe that person now earns £7 an hour. The working class people have a right to be angry as their wages has been cut as result of an open border creating more comptetion for people and giving the multinational/corporates fat cats more profit from exploiting the common Man


Are the drivers all under 25?

Why should lower wages be bad, we all benefit from lower costs. If the drivers' wages were higher, we all have to pay more for our shopping.
Original post by _icecream
A lorry driver in the UK used to earn £14 an hour ibefore 2004, and now after the mass migration of people from Eastern Europe that person now earns £7 an hour. The working class people have a right to be angry as their wages has been cut as result of an open border creating more comptetion for people and giving the multinational/corporates fat cats more profit from exploiting the common Man


So people are willing to do the exact same job for less and you're upset about that? Maybe lorry drivers were overpaid.
Original post by _icecream
A lorry driver in the UK used to earn £14 an hour ibefore 2004, and now after the mass migration of people from Eastern Europe that person now earns £7 an hour. The working class people have a right to be angry as their wages has been cut as result of an open border creating more comptetion for people and giving the multinational/corporates fat cats more profit from exploiting the common Man


£14 an hour for lorry drivers sounds overpaid tbh. It's higher than the hourly wages for Mechanical Engineers (Median £10.00, Range £6.44 - £22.11) and Aerospace Engineers (Median £13.00, Range £6.70 - £35.87).
Original post by JordanL_
So people are willing to do the exact same job for less and you're upset about that? Maybe lorry drivers were overpaid.


So who are the winners here? Who has gained and who has lost?
Original post by _icecream
A lorry driver in the UK used to earn £14 an hour ibefore 2004, and now after the mass migration of people from Eastern Europe that person now earns £7 an hour. The working class people have a right to be angry as their wages has been cut as result of an open border creating more comptetion for people and giving the multinational/corporates fat cats more profit from exploiting the common Man


Well said please God why can there not be more like you who see the real motives behind EU immigration from the point of view of those who control (or rather don't control) it, politicians on behalf of their party paymasters the multinational companies in search of ever increasing profits out of a working mans wage packet.
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by KimKallstrom
So who are the winners here? Who has gained and who has lost?


Society, because businesses pay less to transport their goods and customers get their goods cheaper.
Original post by JordanL_
So people are willing to do the exact same job for less and you're upset about that? Maybe lorry drivers were overpaid.


What a silly thing to say....you do realize that when there is an oversupply of labor from the continent companies can get away with paying a very low wage...and dish out ZHC...
Companies make £££££ profit as a result of exploiting people!
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by Comedy_Gold
Well said please God can there not be more like you who see the real motives behind EU immigration from the point of view of those who control (or rather don't control) it, politicians on behalf of their party paymasters the multinational companies in search of ever increasing profits out of a working mans wage packet.


The government are so desperate to brain wash the masses it's why they've spent millions printing out pro EU propaganda.
The companies and tax dodgers are lobbying the government and scaring the general public into leaving if people vote out. Haha the Corporate fat cats/Bankers are so desperate it's why they love mass migration 300,000+ people are arriving here every year cutting wages for the working class people.
Original post by _icecream
The government are so desperate to brain wash the masses it's why they've spent millions printing out pro EU propaganda.
The companies and tax dodgers are lobbying the government and scaring the general public into leaving if people vote out. Haha the Corporate fat cats/Bankers are so desperate it's why they love mass migration 300,000+ people are arriving here every year cutting wages for the working class people.


Can't believe I'm reading such sense I'm so used to people just not getting it!

It is the young who will be affected the most working in the EU with their working lives to come and they are going to vote in and reap the 'rewards' of the working man unfortunately.
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by JordanL_
EU migrants are unequivocally good for the UK. They're more educated and fill skilled jobs that the native population can't.

Unemployment has been going down for a while. If you're getting outcompeted by people who don't even speak English as a first language, maybe you should've tried harder in school.
well done.jpg
Original post by Brillo100
Your argument is simply that one person from SA you know makes good money from being a dentist in Britain. (Good money is a relative thing and this example is anecdotal).

The poster you replied to was simply using a dentistry example. The principle remains.

The fact still remains that economics operates by supply and demand and that increasing the supply of Labour often decreases the wages and increases the unemployment rate.

Posted from TSR Mobile


In this case it decreases the rate of wage growth rather than decreases wages, just as it decreases the rate at which unemployment falls rather than causes unemployment.

Immigration is not yet above the number of jobs created, hence demand for natives still exists.
Original post by Maker
You are losing the argument if you have to attack the person.


Im not attacking the person.. read on to see why I wanted to know young metro's profession
Original post by Maker
I know a dentist from South Africa, he's pretty well off from drilling British teeth. The cheap dentist argument doesn't hold water because dentists in most parts of the world have to pay for their own expensive training and they need to earn that back by making lots of money.

If lots of foreign dentists started working in the UK and saturate the market, their earnings will decrease to the point it would be better for them to stay at home or move elsewhere.

You need a better argument.


Its a hypothetical to try and help a poster emphasise better with people who's skill sets are being flooded. With regards to your point about "earnings will decrease to the point it would be better for them to stay at home" - For skilled labour that may be so, for Romanian strawberry pickers who earn 60p an hour back home... that would never be the case when its £7.20 minimum wage in the UK

AND NOW YOU CAN SEE THE PROBLEM
I feel like my original reply was too dismissive, and I apologise for that.

It's a fair point that even graduates can struggle to get employed. But that's because degrees are common now. It's fairly normal to go to uni, and having a degree won't (and shouldn't) guarantee a job. There are a lot more factors that separate the great candidates from the good. People shouldn't be just going to uni and getting a degree, because that's the bare minimum now. People should aim for better universities, better degrees, and to better themselves outside of their degree too. Competition is good because it encourages this, and I don't think it's fair to stifle competition just because some people don't want to compete.
Reply 97
Original post by Betelgeuse-
Its a hypothetical to try and help a poster emphasise better with people who's skill sets are being flooded. With regards to your point about "earnings will decrease to the point it would be better for them to stay at home" - For skilled labour that may be so, for Romanian strawberry pickers who earn 60p an hour back home... that would never be the case when its £7.20 minimum wage in the UK

AND NOW YOU CAN SEE THE PROBLEM


The fact remains more people in a country earning money is good for that country because people with money consume goods and services that employs other people. The UK economy has shown by the low unemployment rate and moderate growth it can thrive on the number of workers it has. The countries that have not thrived like Spain and Portugal have lower immigration.

Why should the country be held hostage by the lowest paid and lowest skilled in the country? We all know the kids at school who messed around and left school with no qualifications and now finding it hard to get work.

Its hypocritical of people who complain about immigration's effect on the low paid while not really caring one bit about them in real life.
Imagine if immigrants literally stole jobs. Like you walk into a bathroom as a lawyer and you walk out unemployed :lol:
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by Maker
The fact remains more people in a country earning money is good for that country because people with money consume goods and services that employs other people. The UK economy has shown by the low unemployment rate and moderate growth it can thrive on the number of workers it has. The countries that have not thrived like Spain and Portugal have lower immigration.

Why should the country be held hostage by the lowest paid and lowest skilled in the country? We all know the kids at school who messed around and left school with no qualifications and now finding it hard to get work.

Its hypocritical of people who complain about immigration's effect on the low paid while not really caring one bit about them in real life.


Spain and Portugal have like over 50% youth employment. Their struggles are not because they do not have enough working immigrants to pick oranges or package paella.

Why should the country be held hostage by the lowest paid and lowest tax earners who use the NHS, Schools and so forth?

If u want dog eat dog.. capitalism is great.. fine lets be consistent then and have no welfare state, no NHS, privatise everything

The fact is people hate the working class, born poor, born thick and you judge them for that and have no quarrels with them getting shafted as evidenced by numerous attitudes itt. Same idiots who would rush to inconsistently defend somebody born disabled or ugly no doubt.
(edited 7 years ago)

Quick Reply